I' m actually more of a fan of Xbox Live rather than the Xbox itself. Although with my PS2 starting to stop working I' ve gradually changed to buying all my games for Xbox these days as I prefer it' s controller rather than the GC' s.

Anyways, this is a no win argument as both sides only have personal experiences to back them up, and no numbers from the company.

No exact numbers, but I read the official apology to the EB corporation for the batch of " 10,000 - 15,000 XBoxes shipped with defective hard drives."

Maybe that number isn' t that high, but IMO, it' s significant.

Proof?

It' s not exactly public knowledge. Like I said, the only reason I know of it is because I used to work at EB, and the manager and I are still friends. Even MS couldn' t specify a number. They did say that half the defective units were returned via the retailers unsold, but many more went out. It happens.

Like I said, you don' t have to believe me. Although, besides loving MS to death, I can' t see why you would care, either.

I don' t " Love MS to Death" , I just want to see proof. I know of the defective batch of units, but it seemed most were recalled before being sold. I guess I was wrong.

If that was true i would read this kind of stuff on the forums.

So only the PPL who work for EB know???
Not the public who buys the XBOX' s???

If alot of them were returned then everyone wouldve known.

Your just a PS2 fanboy,that y your making up stories about XBOX and bad Hard Drives.I have 7 friends with XBOX' s and none of them had any problem with it.

I exchanged my xbox 2 times but because the laser was messed up.I also exchanged my Dreamcast and PS2 about 2-3 times each for the same reason.

Russian, I' d appreciate it if you just ignore me from now on. You can' t accuse someone of anything, especially when you practice it yourself. The difference between you and me? I have both the PS2 and Xbox. You' re just completely clueless.

immortal: You might want to read my post again. What do you think I said?

I had to replace my Xbox about a year after buying it because some a$$ at school dropped it about 3 ft. to the tiled floor. It never acted the same after that. Needless to say I don' t bring Xbox' s to school anymore, lol.

Fathoms, there is a simple way to end this. Don' t bring a PS2 vs Xbox debate into every thread. That way no one has to fight. Every time the xbox is mentioned you seem to put it down in some way. I don' t care if you own an xbox or not. I don' t own a PS2 but I don' t harass it. It' s a great system, but not as good as the xbox imo. Just try and control yourself a bit.

the fact I' ve not needed to shell out a ridiculous amount of money for xbox memory cards has been a welcome relief, to say the least. From a purely retail point of view, xbox has the edge in that department because when you buy an xbox, you don' t debate whether to buy a cheap (but albeit good) game or a memory card. You' re pretty much free to get cracking with the gaming.

However, it was a factor when I bought my PS2. I eventually plumped for the memory card, but really, the idea the consumer, who has every right to expect full functionality from the moment they purchase their console, would want to pay £20 extra for their PS2 games to actually work at full capacity is a kick in the teeth. Of course, this applies to gamecube games too (though GC mem cards aren' t a monopolised market and cost much less), but this was a practice originating with and pioneered by Sony. To disregard it as a kick in the teeth is naivity in the extreme. Whilst portable memory devices are inherently useful, I still don' t think it' s fair of MS to inflict Sonys legacy on the next gen xbox owner.


As far as console reliability goes (seeing as the thread has gone off on that tangent), Sony are the only company I know who work on making games consoles work properly after they' ve released them. How many versions of the Playstation before they were confident they' d shipped a reliable product that didn' t need time to cool down or didn' t need to rest on its side (and not by design, either) to prevent overheating? The ps2 has been no different, with dodgy DVD playback forging the path for Sony to cover up its mistakes on the fly.

For christs sakes, the recently released PSX couldn' t even launch with full functionality - what does that say about the systems reliability? As for playstation 2 memory cards reliability, I should think so too, when they originally retailed for £30 in the UK. That' s nearly the cost of a full price game for what many would argue should' ve been packaged with the console to begin with. Why not after all, when they' re so vital to playing games?

to close, and to close briefly, I' ve not heard of any xbox hardware problems, nor have I heard of any GC ones (you really can' t beat nintendo for customer service, though - plus the GC really is that well built). PS2 hardware problems have whole communities devoted to them.

Ramp: You and I BOTH know that there' s nothing in this forum but Xbox fans. Point me to ANY place I did any such thing you' re accusing me of. I simply said I prefer memory cards, as they' re far more reliable at this point. When did I ever mention a company? Huh? The GC uses memory cards too, did you know that? Bottom line- you' re an Xbox fan, plain and simple. You anticipate anything negative about the Xbox (in this case, the HD), as being some kind of personal attack against you, or some kind of company attack against MS. How about just looking at it for what it is, and opening your mind just a crack? God forbid, something MIGHT not be perfect with the Xbox.

Preacher: Yes, whole communites. That' s what will happen when 100 million people own one system, and 15 million people own the other two. It' s called numbers. The defective ratios for the major retailers has Nintendo leading by a landslide, and MS in dead last. Nintendo is indeed the best when it comes to overall reliability and customer service. They pride themselves on that, and we should all recognize that. However, CERTAIN Xbox fans (' cough' the entire forum ' cough' ), consider anything negative about their system to be some kind of personal affront.

Custome soundtracks have changed my life. Take Burnout 2 for example, great game, okay music, but add some techno, happy hardcore and dance music, turn up the 5.1 system and you are in for the drive of your life. It just makes the game so much better, twitchy music with twitchy gameplay.

Actually preacher, there are a couple of XBox models, but that is due to piracy issues, not that I' m into piracy, modding, and burning.