Onlive

I saw those 2 vids about this new technology they gonna release on winter 2009. What it does is make you play PC/Xbox/PS3 games on any PC/Mac/[TV(with a small add on)] supposedly lag free. Games are rendered on their mainframes and sent "using a new technology that took 7 years to develop" that should make it lag free. Gonna need a 5Mb connection for HD streams and 1.5Mb for SD streams.

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/47079.aspx


http://www.gametrailers.com/player/47081.aspx



What are your takes on this?

that it is complete bs and there is no way they can make it "lag free"

"If you knew how good I am you would think I'm modest."

surelyitdependsonthespeedofyourbroadbandconnectionlol

It'll be amazing, epoch-defining, if it works, but they've got a mountain to climb...

Really cool for college students who have hours of nothing in between classes.  The problem is internet connection.  This device has much more use on the go but it can be expensive to bring a high speed connection with you (at least in Canada). 

I can see them having a much higher chance at success if they include movies and television shows as well.

I'll reserve judgment until I see pricing and support.

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Man, they must have a tonne of machines, wherever they're based.

I can imagine this is going to one hugely expensive online rental service.

Plus there's no way it'll be lag free, bandwidth costs ruin all.

uh it won't be lag free no matter how fast your internet is. Let's say you have a 50 ms ping to their server, which is being really generous considering they won't have machines all over the place. You press 'A' to jump, the server gets this signal in 50 ms, then takes another 50 ms for whatever changed in the game to get back to you. You have a tenth of a second delay. We aren't talking about lag like playing an online fps we are talking about the whole system client side, this is unplayable. Unless they've invented FTL communication this is BS. kthxbai idiots who think this will work.

"If you knew how good I am you would think I'm modest."

I will say the same thing here as what I said on another forum:

Compressed video? Compressed??? I have very little tolerance for that sort of thing, and 5.0 mbps is NOWHERE NEAR enough bandwidth for a 720p stream. HDTV television runs at about 19mbps and you still see artifacts all over the place. And if they used an interframe codec (which they'd have to in order to keep the bandwidth down) then there would be severe lag because interframe video is sent out as GOP (or groups of pictures) and several frames have to be compressed together as a group before they can be sent. The bottom line is that games would look far worse than they do now and they would lag like all fuck.

Joe Redifer


I will say the same thing here as what I said on another forum:

Compressed video? Compressed??? I have very little tolerance for that sort of thing, and 5.0 mbps is NOWHERE NEAR enough bandwidth for a 720p stream. HDTV television runs at about 19mbps and you still see artifacts all over the place. And if they used an interframe codec (which they'd have to in order to keep the bandwidth down) then there would be severe lag because interframe video is sent out as GOP (or groups of pictures) and several frames have to be compressed together as a group before they can be sent. The bottom line is that games would look far worse than they do now and they would lag like all fuck.

but 7 years

OMG!

locopuyo


uh it won't be lag free no matter how fast your internet is. Let's say you have a 50 ms ping to their server, which is being really generous considering they won't have machines all over the place. You press 'A' to jump, the server gets this signal in 50 ms, then takes another 50 ms for whatever changed in the game to get back to you. You have a tenth of a second delay. We aren't talking about lag like playing an online fps we are talking about the whole system client side, this is unplayable. Unless they've invented FTL communication this is BS. kthxbai idiots who think this will work.

They have said theyre aiming for 1ms ping if youre within 1,000 miles from a server. I dont buy it, but thats what theyre saying.

I dont want to celebrate, I want to sell you hate.

lawls, I swear I read about this thing a year or two ago and it was widely accepted as retarded

"If you knew how good I am you would think I'm modest."

there was something called streammygame, which didnt really work!
 

Even if they can push it down to 10ms its still too much response time.

The games would have to be tweaked to make them work around the deficiency... but it looks like basically PC games, running on PCs, streamed to your screen.  So not really a 4th platform, maybe just a way to get PC games to the masses, it would sure help the PC game industry.

Vx - streammygame requires you to have a PC that can run the game, it just fowards the output to another PC in your home network.  That's stupid.   Onlive is talking about actually running the games on remote computers and streaming to your screen.

I don't want to believe it but unless what I read is total bullshit there's actually big publishers behind this (EA, Ubisoft, etc), it may actually launch...  I still wanna say it's a hoax.

locopuyo


uh it won't be lag free no matter how fast your internet is. Let's say you have a 50 ms ping to their server, which is being really generous considering they won't have machines all over the place. You press 'A' to jump, the server gets this signal in 50 ms, then takes another 50 ms for whatever changed in the game to get back to you. You have a tenth of a second delay. We aren't talking about lag like playing an online fps we are talking about the whole system client side, this is unplayable. Unless they've invented FTL communication this is BS. kthxbai idiots who think this will work.

I didnt come saying "OMG THIS NEW TECH IS AWSOME". I am doubtful and think that they can NOT eliminate lag. What i think is getting 9 big name companies behind this means that they have something. It also wont substitue a persons everyday gaming but would be useful if you are traveling or if you are a student living in campus. Hence i am asking about what you guys think about this on 2 different aspects: 1) Do you think that it will work or not? 2) Assuming that it works, What do you think about it?

The games would have to be tweaked to make them work around the deficiency

I think they said that the games need a bit of tweaking that was easy to do on PC/Mac/Xbox and a "little" tricky on PS3.

Meh... it's not really worth talking about. Ngage had big publisher support and look where that went...

Pachter says it's game over for consoles -

http://www.vg247.com/2009/03/25/gdc-this-is-the-last-console-generation-says-pachter/

What the hell else am I going to spend my money on? Cosmetics?

Edwin


Pachter says it's game over for consoles -

http://www.vg247.com/2009/03/25/gdc-this-is-the-last-console-generation-says-pachter/

What the hell else am I going to spend my money on? Cosmetics?

Well you are an ugly fuck...

But no, Pachter is a moron who doesn't know his arse from his elbow. His salary certainly doesn't reflect his level of expertise in this industry. I wouldn't worry too much about how many console generations are left.

Edwin


Pachter says it's game over for consoles -

http://www.vg247.com/2009/03/25/gdc-this-is-the-last-console-generation-says-pachter/

What the hell else am I going to spend my money on? Cosmetics?

Patcher also said the PS3 would crush the 360 and Wii with PS2-esque sales. Then he also said that Xbox Live would never be a hit. He also said digital distribution would completely do away with physical media by 2010. Guy is a dumbass who gets paid to make (uneducated) guesses. No one can really know what a market will do without all the peices, and if anyone does have all the peices, its not him.

I dont want to celebrate, I want to sell you hate.

Who the fuck is "Patcher"?  Since I have never heard of this asshole, his comments mean nothing.

Joe Redifer


Who the fuck is "Patcher"?  Since I have never heard of this asshole, his comments mean nothing.

If you have heard of him his comments would mean even less.

I dont want to celebrate, I want to sell you hate.

Sadly the best thing that would come out of this is not having to rely on shitty consoles, I don't even remember how many 360's I've had, was it 5 or 6? I don't know.  Ironically the oldest ones are the ones that have lasted the longest, how can they still not get it right on year 4...

I just bought my 6th 360. I said i wouldn't but my extensive game library would then just go to waste so what other choice did i have?

It doesn't help matters that the majority of multiplatform games are superior on Microsofts console.

I'm considering the Red Resident Evil elite with the jasper chipset, anyone give it a go yet?

I might buy a Jasper when I find one but I'm in no rush.  Technically my 360 still works but the stupid tray won't open at all anymore, lol fucking garbage.  I have to use the manual release to open my junkbox.  Which is fine since there are no 360 games that I want to play anyways.  The only two games I'm currently playing are Killzone 2 and EVE: Online.  The only game I can see myself buying for the 360 is Fight Night Round 4, after that I'll be done with the 360.  If the game holds up on the PS3 I'll just get it on that instead.     

"This is sad. There's no other word for it. The person who invents a way to punch someone in the face over the Internet will make millions from the demand generated by people like this." Youtube comments

You must all be abusing your 360's to have had so many - my launch one has failed once (repaired free of charge) and is still running fine - and we bought a second so we could both play.

Sure this OnLive service might be able to be good when the servers are not full, but surely once thousands (millions?) hit them they are going to fall over, and there's no way a broadband connection will be reasonably available to allow two gaming connections over the same wire.

www.eurogamer.net has a nice article about why its impossible, as the author says, he hopes to be proved wrong though

_Majik_


I just bought my 6th 360. I said i wouldn't but my extensive game library would then just go to waste so what other choice did i have?

Microsoft OWNS you.  You are their slave.  You do their bidding.  They have the rights to your free will.  You are the consumer they wanted to create.  Congratulations!

Ornodeal


You must all be abusing your 360's to have had so many - my launch one has failed once (repaired free of charge) and is still running fine - and we bought a second so we could both play.

Sure this OnLive service might be able to be good when the servers are not full, but surely once thousands (millions?) hit them they are going to fall over, and there's no way a broadband connection will be reasonably available to allow two gaming connections over the same wire.

How can you "abuse" a 360? We're not fucking toddlers.  It's not like we're putting our mouths on the 360 and nibbling on the tray, or throwing it down a flight of stairs for shits and giggles.

Ok wait so we aren't supposed to be beating the shit out them?  So thats what I've been doing wrong.  For some reason everyone told me you have to thoroughly abuse it before you can get it to work right.  Well theres 400$ down the drain huh?

I just got myself a Jasper, so quiet compared to the atomic reactor in the launch model!

Neat red, though my girlfriend hates it!

I would hate it too

"If you knew how good I am you would think I'm modest."

your just jealous crazy chicken ( i know thats not what you name says, but it sounds like it)

Ok wait so we aren't supposed to be beating the shit out them?  So thats what I've been doing wrong.  For some reason everyone told me you have to thoroughly abuse it before you can get it to work right.  Well theres 400$ down the drain huh?

Shut up, Torr.

BUCKAWK!!!!!!!

"If you knew how good I am you would think I'm modest."

crazy chicken stfu

I hate olives. Fucking disgusting little things. They ruin pizza and salads.

I might buy a Jasper when I find one but I'm in no rush.  Technically my 360 still works but the stupid tray won't open at all anymore, lol fucking garbage.

I had to hit the top of mine in it's last couple weeks.

I felt like I was bitch-slapping an elderly person in hospice-care.

Anyway, I just got my first hands-on with a Jasper the other day. I'm not sure, but I think I'm in love. My only concern is that the video scaler will go kershitz, but I didn't get a chance to crack the case and get temperature readings, so there's no real telling.

At any rate, I've got a pile of 3 dead xboxes I'm heatgunning tomorrow, looking to fix E74 errors (the error that the RROD was hiding). Hopefully one of those will hold me over till I have the funds for something new.

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I hate olives. Fucking disgusting little things. They ruin pizza and salads.

Fact.

"This is sad. There's no other word for it. The person who invents a way to punch someone in the face over the Internet will make millions from the demand generated by people like this." Youtube comments

lol salads

"If you knew how good I am you would think I'm modest."