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Nail in Sony's coffin/ MGS4 sales a joke - Jan 22, 2009 03:53
MGS4 sells 1 million in the US, but only after 7 months.

Seriously? If its taking the biggest exclusives on the PS3 7 months to hit a million(in the US), there are problems. Large exclusives on the 360 are selling millions in the first month(days/weeks in most cases). Even multiplatform games are typically double, with games like CoD, Fallout, and GTA selling more on 360. PSP games arent selling, PS3 games arent selling. Now I cant say if the PSP is hardware profitable or not, but they definately need the software revenue to support the PS3.

On the non-gaming side, theyre TV division is having its ass kicked by better(Samsung, though I love my WEGA) and cheaper(Vizio) alternatives. Add in the fact that Blu Ray isnt anywhere near mass-market, and digital distribution and pirating lowering demand for physical discs in general.

So, with the terrible economy, and Sony trailing in almost every department, does anyone think it will even be possible for them to recover and be the power-house they once were?
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Re:Nail in Sony's coffin/ MGS4 sales a joke - Jan 22, 2009 04:19
Killzone 2 is kind of the last hope for PS3.
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Re:Nail in Sony's coffin/ MGS4 sales a joke - Jan 22, 2009 04:23
locopuyo


Killzone 2 is kind of the last hope for PS3.


If that is truly the case then there is no hope. ;)

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Re:Nail in Sony's coffin/ MGS4 sales a joke - Jan 22, 2009 04:33
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locopuyo


Killzone 2 is kind of the last hope for PS3.


If that is truly the case then there is no hope. ;)


My bet is that Killzone 2 wont even sell more than the PS3 versions of Call of Duty. Killzone just isnt a recognized brand by your "average joe", and they definitely cant sell it on brand history. So unless there are phenominal reviews and a marketing budget bigger than MS gave Halo 3, then Killzone 2 wont even register sales-wise compared to CoD's, Gears, or Halo.
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Re:Nail in Sony's coffin/ MGS4 sales a joke - Jan 22, 2009 14:24

My bet is that Killzone 2 wont even sell more than the PS3 versions of Call of Duty.



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People aren't idiots, if a game is the best it will sell. 
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Re:Nail in Sony's coffin/ MGS4 sales a joke - Jan 22, 2009 15:01
I'm not sure if any of you guys read Rob Fahey's GamesIndustry.biz editorials, but they're some of the best I've ever come across - here's his take on the PS3 in 2009:

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/uphill-struggle_7

Regarding Killzone 2, you can argue convincingly that the brand doesn't carry much weight among consumers who favour Wii/DS, movie spin-offs, licensed sports updates - the amorphous "mainstream" market, in other words - but the idea that it doesn't pack a punch with the kind of gamer who plays military shooters and discusses his/her hobby online is ridiculous. Have you looked at N4G recently? :) Killzone is all over the shop. Fuck knows what kind of marketing Sony has in store offline, but the game's internet profile couldn't be higher.

I seriously, seriously doubt it'll disappear under the carpet, negative critical verdicts notwithstanding. We'll see, I guess.

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Re:Nail in Sony's coffin/ MGS4 sales a joke - Jan 22, 2009 15:33
Edwin
Fuck knows what kind of marketing Sony has in store offline, but the game's internet profile couldn't be higher.


Shenumue had a huge "internet profile", look how that did. A very vocal minority on hardcore gaming sites doesnt translate to mass sales. Im not saying it will sell poorly, but it wont put up Gears or Halo numbers. If even MGS4 cant sell, why would the sequel to a garbage game do better?

Also, you must be delusional if you think the Killzone "brand" carries any weight with FPS gamers. Anyone who will argue that Killzone 1 is good is either a fanboy or delusional.

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People aren't idiots, if a game is the best it will sell. 

The game is an overhyped peice of garbage, as far as Im concerned(same with Gears). Guerilla Games has never put out a good game(just a decent PSP one), and the only reason anyone gives a shit about Killzone 2 is because there isnt a good FPS on the PS3. Its getting hyped out the ass as the "best FPS ever!!11!1ZOMG!!!1" because of some decent graphics.

And for you, I'll revise that bet. It wont sell more than the 360 versions of CoD.
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Re:Nail in Sony's coffin/ MGS4 sales a joke - Jan 22, 2009 16:11
The Killzone "brand" doesn't just cover Killzone 1 (a subaverage game, but not utterly without merit) or Killzone Liberation (a fantastic retro shooter) - it now encompasses four years' worth of screenshots, high definition trailers, hype-slathered articles, bigass event showings, yadda yadda. Saying that people won't buy the game in Feb because its home format predecessor fell short is, IMO, as shaky an argument as saying that people will buy the PS3 because PS2 was The Shit. In short, Killzone 2 isn't going to sell on the strength of Killzone's achievements - it's going to sell on the strength of being a heavily-promoted (within the umpteen-million-strong online gaming community, at least), shamelessly "hardcore" and stunningly pretty first person shooter.

For the same reasons, it's a much safer prospect than either MGS4 (an intellectually dense experience renowned for its tendency to divide opinion), Shenmue (caught between the adventure, fighting and sandbox genres and hence harder for consumers to quantify) or for that matter more recent well-known "flops" like LittleBigPlanet (too cute for the hardcore, too complex for the casual, and thwarted by its home system's decidedly non-mainstream price tag). You're right, it probably won't out-sell CoD4 as it doesn't have the latter's sheer ubiquity, but I'd put it down for a few million unit sales at least in the next six months. Again, we'll see :)

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Re:Nail in Sony's coffin/ MGS4 sales a joke - Jan 22, 2009 16:15

I'm not sure if any of you guys read Rob Fahey's GamesIndustry.biz editorials, but they're some of the best I've ever come across - here's his take on the PS3 in 2009:

GI.biz have a penchant for usually being right on the money. They're my first daily regular news checkup.
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Re:Nail in Sony's coffin/ MGS4 sales a joke - Jan 22, 2009 16:56
So..... MGS4 has solid slightly worse than MGS2 in the same timeframe..... but better than Snake Eater..... and it means what?

I get the argument you're making Dan... but it's not like PS2's biggest games were doing the kind of numbers that 360 games have been doing on a regular basis. Sure the GTA and Gran Turismo games, but not much else.

PS3 certainly isn't seeing the growth rate that PS2 did, but by this point Sony had also dropped PS2's price to $199 (a 33% cut). PS3 is still too expensive to be considered mass market friendly, and it's certainly nowhere near 'impulse buy' territory. Sony need to slash the price as soon as possible really but i don't think they're quite out of the picture just yet.

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Re:Nail in Sony's coffin/ MGS4 sales a joke - Jan 22, 2009 18:14
I would've bought MGS4 if I had a PS3, and I guess there'll be a few more like me.  Unfortunately I just don't value the PS3 at the prices they are currently going for in the UK.

As soon as the prices get cut - a PS3 and MGS4 will be sitting under my TV.   Maybe even Killzone 2 but I'm still not so excited about that game even after seeing the gamersyde vids.  Pretty but still feels generic.

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Re:Nail in Sony's coffin/ MGS4 sales a joke - Jan 22, 2009 23:00


FACT:

You're wrong.

People aren't idiots, if a game is the best it will sell. 
FACT:

You're wrong.

Look at how many Wii games have sold(Wii Sports, Wii Play, Wii Fit). People, indeed, are idiots.

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Re:Nail in Sony's coffin/ MGS4 sales a joke - Jan 22, 2009 23:42
FACT:
90% of gamers are hardcore nubs

FACT:
the new guy cuts his own hair
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Re:Nail in Sony's coffin/ MGS4 sales a joke - Jan 23, 2009 01:17
locopuyo


FACT:
90% of gamers are hardcore nubs

FACT:
the new guy cuts his own hair


QUESTION:
Who is the new guy? I wasnt aware we had one, I thought I was doing a tremendous job of scaring them off
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Re:Nail in Sony's coffin/ MGS4 sales a joke - Jan 23, 2009 02:51
The fact is that Sony has pretty much had a challenge free 2 console cycle, and have completely let themself go so to speak. You see it in a lot of sports where the reigning champ can only reign so long before finally succombing to what I label it as boredom and laziness, because they feel invincible.

Sony have to get back to basics, and get back to the Playstation Brand everyone knew and love with 1 and 2. I know there are lot of people out there who believe that the way to go with consoles is more towards the multimedia component and other "non-essential" accessories :), but I for one would like to see not only Sony but all console makers and devs get back to concentrating a little bit more on the games and the people buying those games.
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Re:Nail in Sony's coffin/ MGS4 sales a joke - Jan 23, 2009 04:30
Playstation brand will never catch up to where it was with 1 and 2.  The two things that placed Sony at the top are two things they will never get back.  One they never had proper competition, now they do.  Yeah we all loved Nintendo but they made a few stupid design choices with hardware that held them back, such as no disc drive.  Second, they had tons of underhanded exclusivity deals they made in the PS1 era that carried over to the PS2 era.  Publishers learned their lesson after last gen. 

Sony was way too cocky with this gen.  They took two expensive risks with CELL and BD.  BD was a good idea, CELL was not.  CELL is the reason their memory is split and that's the reason why the 360 typically has better graphics, especially for multiplatform games.  I bet they could have cut costs by 100$ if they used the same CPU and memory configuration as the 360.  Which also would have made development as easy as the 360, maybe even easier since they have a traditional GPU.  Highnsight is 20/20, if they knew that MS would have had such a good design I'm sure they would have ditched CELL and put in 512MB dedicated Vram on top of 256MB CPU ram for even less money.  If they did that Sony would have slaughtered MS. 

I hope Sony learns it's lesson, you can't be on top if your hardware is too difficult to develope on.  Console makers need to learn to use standardized PC components.  MS knows this, Nintendo might know this.  Sony has it's head up it's ass.
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Re:Nail in Sony's coffin/ MGS4 sales a joke - Jan 23, 2009 04:56
What I don't like about this is the NEXT gen, sony will probably not make the high price tag mistake again, which would make PS4 sell very well in Japan & Europe, but in he US microsoft is already too dominant, so the markets are going to be divided for that console.

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Re:Nail in Sony's coffin/ MGS4 sales a joke - Jan 24, 2009 03:26


FACT:
the new guy cuts his own hair

That's the most illusive fucking meme I've ever come across.

What's the source? You're driving me nuts Loco.
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Re:Nail in Sony's coffin/ MGS4 sales a joke - Jan 24, 2009 04:26
Ps4 will lower powered, it will be cheaper, it will offer bluray and an expanded psn service but not offer what tech is typicaly ready for access, aka the ps3/360 of today, it will be more Wii like, its the only busniess decision to make and its the only decision sony has to make, they have to get out of this gen as soon as then can, There is no Profit to be made with such a good console as PS3.

They have to bring next gen to the next level, or so to speak, Sony will bring the next gen console first,they need to bring back the playataion brand. or at least to establish what it once was.

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Re:Nail in Sony's coffin/ MGS4 sales a joke - Jan 24, 2009 11:59

Ps4 will lower powered, it will be cheaper, it will offer bluray and an expanded psn service but not offer what tech is typicaly ready for access, aka the ps3/360 of today, it will be more Wii like, its the only business decision to make and its the only decision sony has to make, they have to get out of this gen as soon as then can, There is no Profit to be made with such a good console as PS3.


I disagree with Sony needing to move into the next gen faster.
Sony is going to want to prolong this gen as long as possible.  The PS3 has been cost reduced quite a bit, they reduced the deficit of each console sale to about 50$.  By the end of 2009 they should break even with hardware, assuming they don't have a price drop.  Which I expect they will though.  PS3 is a long term strategy.  I expect the PS3 to be like the PS2, it will be on shelves forever. 

Personally if they drop the machine to 300$ I would recommend it to anyone even if they don't game.  It's a great hub for your home theater.  It's not like past consoles where once the generation is over the hardware is useless.  Because the machine is built so well and has so many features I'll never throw it away.  It is my only BD player at the moment and as long as it still works it will remain a great device.  The fact that it can play a few amazing games is icing on an already very sweet cake.  I can't believe some people in Kikizo still don't have one.  Do yourselves a favor.  Go out a buy and PS3.  If you don't have a HD screen, get one of those to.  Modernize mother fuckers. 

My prediction:
When they release the PS4 they will likely phase out the PS2 and the PS3 will be priced around the 249$ mark.  I expect games to continue to be released for the PS3 long after Wii and the 360 is pulled off the shelves.  The same way that games are still being released for the PS2 today.


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Re:Nail in Sony's coffin/ MGS4 sales a joke - Jan 24, 2009 12:21
Well its interesting - they cant move on too quickly to their next console as the financial environment at the moment means people are more likely to buy games than invest in another console.  So they need to take advantage of the user base they already have.

When it comes to expanding their user base, they cant reduce the price yet since they still haven't made much money from it and Sony are still struggling (recently laying off a huge number of resources from their electronics section).  Then again, a price cut will bring in a huge number of new PS3 fans, like me potentially.  So they're stuck between a rock and a hard place there.

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Re:Nail in Sony's coffin/ MGS4 sales a joke - Jan 24, 2009 13:43
There's good reason to believe a price drop will happen this year.  It's not so much if or when but how much.  A 50$ drop sounds reasonable.  There are rumors that suggest a price drop as high as 100$.   I would bet on a 50$ drop USD though.  I don't know how that would translate in the UK, you guys tend to get ripped off, especially when the pound is losing it's value.  It looks like every major currency is losing it's value, fucking FIAT system.  Anyone with money and any sense would invest in something like gold...


Right now a PS3 is 400$.  USD

 
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Re:Nail in Sony's coffin/ MGS4 sales a joke - Jan 24, 2009 16:15
The basic 80Gb package costs about £290 currently, so I could imagine a price drop to about £250.  A premium 360 costs £160 and an elite costs £210.  I can't believe a Wii still costs £200!

I'll be in the market for a PS3 in a few months - planning to do an impression of Majik and get one along with a new build PC, telly etc. 

If people are expecting a price a drop and are holding off for that reason then Sony's hand will be forced.  Id be gutted if they dropped the price soon after Id bought one.
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Re:Nail in Sony's coffin/ MGS4 sales a joke - Jan 24, 2009 20:55
I heard buying gold is a waste of time.

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Re:Nail in Sony's coffin/ MGS4 sales a joke - Jan 24, 2009 22:19
You might not get rich by investing in Gold but at least your money is safe.  I'll tell you something though, if the economy collapses and the value of our currency drops next to nothing.  Gold would look like a pretty fucking good investment.  Just look at how much the dollar has depreciated over the years.  Only a few decades ago you could buy a car for 1000$  Now a similar vehicle would cost say 50000$.  It's not because the cars are 50 times more expensive to produce, it's because our money is 50 times less valuable.  Of course the average salary has increased but not 50 fold.  Everything is getting more expensive, and everyone is going deeper in debt, even the banks.  We call it inflation but in really it's deflation of the currency.  If you have money in the bank it won't collect interest at the same rate of the deflation of the money.  So the effect is that you collect interest say 1% a year but it's worth 5% less every year.  Good luck finding a bank that gives you higher interest over inflation.  If you're smart you can invest your money in the stock market or something where profit margines exceed the rate of inflation.  So in this sense yes gold is a bad investment, but it's better than keeping your money in the bank. 

So why is our money becoming less valuable.  The short answer is we're printing more money than the true value of the economy.  Why are we doing this?  Watch these videos to understand, this doesn't only affect America.  Most of Europe works under a similar system:

http://video.google.ca/videosearch?hl=en&q=federal%20reserve&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=iv#

http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=5232639329002339531&ei=s5J7Sa20OZGu-QHRzPGrBQ&q=federal+reserve&hl=en

It's amazing they're getting away with this.  The recession and imminent depression is a direct result of The FIAT Empire.  We talked about this in another thread but it's worth talking about more.


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Re:Nail in Sony's coffin/ MGS4 sales a joke - Jan 25, 2009 02:33
Considering the beating Sony(as well as the rest of the world) is taking, I don't see why they would be dropping the price anytime soon.

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Re:Nail in Sony's coffin/ MGS4 sales a joke - Jan 25, 2009 10:32
Interesting vids Agent.  Wealth is only proportional to your productivity at the end of the day.  Its irresponsible for the powers that be to just print more money for a quick fix.

Money's just a record of exchange.  These days its just a number in your online bank records.  It'd be easy to just add 100,000 to whatever value you currently have in your bank account, and everyone would suddenly be rich and be able to buy Ferrari's - but later down the line when things balance out again, Ferrari will say hang on a minute we don't have that many Ferrari's to give away to just anyone, give us more money.  Suddenly a Ferrari costs 1,000,000 instead.  People will stop buying Ferrari's and become 'poor' again, even though they still have 100,000 in the bank.

To beat the recession, we basically have to increase productivity, rather than just swap around meaningless numbers in terms of inflation, interest and tax etc.  In order to live a life of 'wealth', you need to have just as much to offer in return.

Gold is a safe currency, the amount of it is static and therefore its worth, and it won't get consumed like oil will.  But what are you gonna do, keep a tonne of it in your basement?

There are a lot of big ideas in economy - but at the end of the day you're only worth what you can produce.  Invent something.

Of course none of this will make Sony drop the price of the PS3 anytime soon! :P
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Re:Nail in Sony's coffin/ MGS4 sales a joke - Jan 25, 2009 14:27
You can buy certificates for gold.  That represent a fixed value for gold.  You don't physically buy the gold.  You could though, it's not impractical because gold is heavy and consumes too much volume.  It's impractical because you have to pay for transportation and so one.  It's more expensive to buy physical gold as oppose to buying certificates.  An ounce of gold is currently worth 1100$ CAD.  A brick is millions. 
http://www.goldprice.org/gold-price.aspx
Ideally the graphs should see a horizontal line, with minor fluctuations representing the actual value of gold.  If more people buy Gold it will increase in value.  So people are making some money.  My uncle trades metals.   

When it looks like the price of gold is increasing, it's not.  What is really happening is that our currencies are becoming less valuable.  We're losing purchasing power.  They call this inflation but really most of it is due to a depreciation of our money.  Legitimate inflation is caused when a resource or service becomes scarce, supply and demand.  The average income is not keeping pace with inflation (it can't by the nature of this system) so everyone is forced to take loans including businesses and even the banks.  Anyone who understands what an exponential curve is can see the problem.  We're exponentially going into debt and paying interest on it.  Including our governments.  The FIAT Empire allows a select few business criminals (federal reserve) to print out literally ten times what they have in reserves to the banks to collect interest the banks do the same.  Because their reserves increase everyday the amount they lend generally increases exponentially.  The second tiere of the scam comes with interest.  This system makes us addicted to credit and the interest is funelling money away from the economy.  The hidden tax that only benefits the crooks at the top.  The American government is seriously at risk of bankrupcty.  Most of their money doesn't even come from taxes anymore, it comes from loans they keep taking from the Federal Reserve. 

In the past money was essentially gold.  The coins were made of gold and the bills were exchangeable for gold.  That's what money should be, it represents true wealth.  Now if you look at a bill it might say "this is not legal tender".  This is because it is no longer backed by gold.  Basically 90% of the money we use is counterfeit.  It only has value because we all agree to accept it.

The only reason we avoided a total meltdown is because the FED is smart enough to lower interest to next to nothing, and lending is being halted.  The problem still exists and it will never go away as long as we're slaves to this FIAT system.  It's easilly the biggest and really the only threat to western civilization. 

Get rid of the fractional reserve system Then we would enjoy our true value.  We're actually more productive than we ever have been.  We have more workers putting in longer hours and technology affords us efficiency, we're even more educated.  The problem is that we're being robbed blind.   


Gold is a safe currency, the amount of it is static and therefore its worth, and it won't get consumed like oil will.  But what are you gonna do, keep a tonne of it in your basement?

There are a lot of big ideas in economy - but at the end of the day you're only worth what you can produce.  Invent something.



Oh I know as individuals you have to be productive.  As a whole we need to produce something.  I believe that they type of economy we have will be influenced by how money holds it's value.  Without inflation, hard work will have more merit.  I'm talking macro economics.  My beef is that people are becoming rich simply by lending money.  I understand you need to charge for the cost of operation with flat fees but interest is just pure greed.  Not only this but the same people printing the money decide the interest rates.  They're not controlled by the government, in fact they dictate to the government what they're going to do.  Imagine if a single gas station had a monopoly and not only did they have the complete freedom to decided the sale price of gas but also had the ability to deciding how much mileage every car achieves.  The FIAT system is more sophisticated than this but it's just as crooked.

Like you said true wealth is supposed to match productivity.  The problem is that our money does not match true wealth.  Our economy is based on a massive Cartel.  Not only is it not sustainable as a whole but workers are being ripped off and businesses are constantly being torn apart by the dangerous business cycle.  
        


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Re:Nail in Sony's coffin/ MGS4 sales a joke - Jan 25, 2009 17:57
I love you, Agent. Most people say Im crazy when I say the Federal Reserve is a privately owned monopoly and the only way to get out of debt is for a gov't controlled currency or something with tangible value(gold, other metals, real goods).

And as you said about the US's money not coming from taxes, youre most definitely on the money (pun not intended). The Federal Income tax only covers the interest on what the Gov "owes" the Federal Reserve/World Bank.
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Re:Nail in Sony's coffin/ MGS4 sales a joke - Jan 26, 2009 02:31
The PS3 is not an exspensive machine it you stop to actually look at what you are getting. Either way you put it, either you're getting a fantastic console for free, or you are getting IMHO still the best Blu-Ray player for free.

The problem for Sony, is that if they are going to market it as just a gaming console then the price does become a legitimate complaint when in comparison to the 360. Sony needs to market the PS3 more as an all in one entertainment machine to the public, and not just to gamers. I do agree that there has to be some sort of price drop announced this year, and very soon for Sony to have a chance at all to save face this gen. But as I say that, I keep wondering if they will even bring out a new console when MS brings out their new console, as they have always leaned on the notion that the PS3 is future proof.

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Re:Nail in Sony's coffin/ MGS4 sales a joke - Jan 26, 2009 05:13
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The PS3 is not an exspensive machine it you stop to actually look at what you are getting. Either way you put it, either you're getting a fantastic console for free, or you are getting IMHO still the best Blu-Ray player for free.

The problem for Sony, is that if they are going to market it as just a gaming console then the price does become a legitimate complaint when in comparison to the 360. Sony needs to market the PS3 more as an all in one entertainment machine to the public, and not just to gamers. I do agree that there has to be some sort of price drop announced this year, and very soon for Sony to have a chance at all to save face this gen. But as I say that, I keep wondering if they will even bring out a new console when MS brings out their new console, as they have always leaned on the notion that the PS3 is future proof.


Wow, a Blu-Ray player for free!!! OMG!!! Now I can pay $10 more for movies that I'll only watch once! Not that I pay for movies anyway, but thats not the point.

Seriously though, Blu-Ray is a moot point. With old people and soccer moms sticking to DVD and half of the tech-oriented consumers using things like Netflix or streaming from the PC it doesnt matter.
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Re:Nail in Sony's coffin/ MGS4 sales a joke - Jan 26, 2009 08:13
PS3 is getting owned by 360.  I TOLD YOU SO.  None of you believed me back then and now I rub snake feces on your faces.  And no Nitro, the PS3 doesn't still have a chance to surpass 360, stfu.
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Re:Nail in Sony's coffin/ MGS4 sales a joke - Jan 26, 2009 09:09
I dont know, i getting PS3  games instead of 360 games, my 360 sounds like a nuclear reactor booting up when i play on it. Sometimes it wont read discs.

Atleast sony is going to make some money off of me

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Re:Nail in Sony's coffin/ MGS4 sales a joke - Jan 26, 2009 13:03
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I dont know, i getting PS3  games instead of 360 games, my 360 sounds like a nuclear reactor booting up when i play on it. Sometimes it wont read discs.

Atleast sony is going to make some money off of me


Are you buying enough to help them sell millions of every game?

That was my point in starting this thread. 360 games are selling ridiculously large numbers, where as the PS3 struggles to put a game in the top 10 every month.

Whats really sad is Sony fanboys (typically on Kotaku after Sony brags about its abysmal sales)always claiming "The PS3 has sold more consoles in this point of its lifespan than the 360". Well give them a fucking cookie. The fact remains that the 360 continues to outsell it month by month, and PS3 games are barely making the radar.

Honestly, I would love to see the PS3 and 360 both do well, and both kick the shit out of the Wii. But its not going to happen, and the writing was on the wall from the start. An expensive, hard to program for console with mediocre online support. Now its down to "next year will be the year of the PS3", but next year just doesnt seem to ever come, and is because of a lack of games. I know all you wapanese are going to start flaming talking about this shitty JRPG or that shitty japanese action game, but the PS3 basically only has GoW3 and Killzone 2 this year as far as the American market is concerned.
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Re:Nail in Sony's coffin/ MGS4 sales a joke - Jan 26, 2009 13:58
No but i reckon more and more will get tired of breaking 360's and fuel the fire for Sony.

Im not saying it exceed the 360 but im pretty sure it will sell alot more than it does now

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Re:Nail in Sony's coffin/ MGS4 sales a joke - Jan 26, 2009 15:16
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No but i reckon more and more will get tired of breaking 360's and fuel the fire for Sony.

Im not saying it exceed the 360 but im pretty sure it will sell alot more than it does now


Breaking 360's? This isnt 2007 anymore.
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Re:Nail in Sony's coffin/ MGS4 sales a joke - Jan 26, 2009 15:28
LOL 360's are still built like garbage.  They're much better than they used to be but anything more than a 3% failure rate is unacceptable and even 3% is high.  Anything before Jasper has at least a 30% failure rate.  We'll se how reliable the Jaspers are...


PS3 is getting owned by 360.  I TOLD YOU SO.  None of you believed me back then and now I rub snake feces on your faces.


You weren't the only one here that predicted Sony's downfall.
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Re:Nail in Sony's coffin/ MGS4 sales a joke - Jan 26, 2009 19:18
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LOL 360's are still built like garbage.  They're much better than they used to be but anything more than a 3% failure rate is unacceptable and even 3% is high.  Anything before Jasper has at least a 30% failure rate.  We'll se how reliable the Jaspers are...


PS3 is getting owned by 360.  I TOLD YOU SO.  None of you believed me back then and now I rub snake feces on your faces.


You weren't the only one here that predicted Sony's downfall.

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Re:Nail in Sony's coffin/ MGS4 sales a joke - Jan 28, 2009 19:54
What i think is that Sony are picking up the pace but very slowly. A year ago when i bought my PS3 i was the only one of my friends who had one. Most of my friends who bought a new console bought a 360. Now a year after only one of my friends has only 360 while all others have PS3s. Some had their 360 break on them and some just bought a PS3 and play on it more.
I see this happen here on the forums too. A year ago if someone mentions Sony they would be flamed for 5 pages and now it seems that most people either got a PS3 or thinking about getting one.

What i think the real question is will Sony be able to make a good position before MS introduces their next gen console?


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Re:Nail in Sony's coffin/ MGS4 sales a joke - Jan 28, 2009 20:18
I think a year ago most of us had ps3. The ps3 flaming on this forum has been very moderate.


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