Microsoft To Lose First Party Title???

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Too Human

Most wanted games:

Mass Effect
Assasins Creed
Crysis
Little Big Planet
Drakes Fortune
UTIII
Kane and Lynch
Heavy Rain
Alan Wake

God i hope so.

Cue 2pac and his Darth Vader impression, " Noooooo!"

How sure are you its Too Human? Didn' t they have a trilogy planned and everything!

was that sarcasme? i think it' s too human as well, what else can it be ? but too human is a second party title , not first is it ?

if too human is considered a first party title, then Banjoo 3 has as much chance to be canceled.

Listen to the wise

Doesn' t first party mean a MGS owned developer? Silicon Knights is not first party from my understanding. Just 2nd or 3rd.

I' d have to agree with aba and say it' ll be something to do with Rare. Banjo 3 may sound likely.

edit: http://www.banjo-kazooie.com/ seems to just redirect to the Rare main webpage. All mention of Banjo Kazooie 3 has been removed from the Rare website.

Alright guys, place your bets.

I' d have to agree with aba and say it' ll be something to do with Rare. Banjo 3 may sound likely.

It wont' be anything by Rare, I' ll bet money on that. Read over the article again:

A big Microsoft first-party title that has been in the works for a very long time that people are very excited for, sounds like it' s being canceled.

Silicon Knights have been fiddling with Too Human now for almost 3 years on the 360, and 8 or 9 years with the idea itself, and frankly any interest I had in the basic concept is lost. It' s clear they couldn' t get their act together with UEIII, an engine that imagine that, seems to work just fine for most other developers, and they' ve shown time & time again that the mess of code they' ve written is at best, sketchy. The game also has a much bigger following than anything Rare' s working on at the moment, which makes it a prime candidate for a canceled game that " people are very excited for" .

Banjo is so far under the radar at this point, it doesn' t have much more than a moderately small (albeit vocal) following. Too Human' s my bet.

That' s only moderately interesting, but like I said, all interest I had in Too Human is now gone. This was the far more interesting piece of news anyhow.

And a Microsoft executive who' s pretty high up, who' s been a voice for the company, sounds like he' s on the way out. (1:58:11-1:58:37)

If I didn' t know who was dishing out the info, I' d have said Shane Kim to be honest.

eddie, that was my first bet but silicon is not a first party developer, or is it ? that' s the question that should be answered.

Listen to the wise

Yeah, first-party generally means in-house so it' d have to be a MGS game if that' s what they actually mean. So we' d be looking at:

Fable 2
Banjo-Kazooie 3
Lost Odyssey
The Untitled Peter Jackson Halo Project
Halo Wars

However, MGS is acting at the publisher for several big non-Microsoft developed games, and they could easily mean 360 exclusive rather than first-party. That' d make Alan Wake, Too Human and Marvel Universe Online possibilities.

Too Human has had the most development trouble, so if they hadn' t said " first-party" i' d have put my money on that. With everything they' ve had going on, including their court case with Epic, it wouldn' t be too far fetched for the game to be cancelled.

I wouldn' t like to think that Banjo could be cancelled, although after the massive Viva Pinata, Perfect Dark and to a lesser extent Kameo flops, it' s within the realms of possibility. But after spending so much to aquire Rare, and with Banjo being a much anticipated title, i kinda doubt it. Kameo 2 maybe, but Banjo? Surely not.

Fable 2 is a possibility. The studio was going down the pan before Microsoft bailed them out and we haven' t seen much of the game at all. It could be BC all over again. If they do mean first-party then Fable 2 would be where my bet lands, otherwise i' d have to go with Too Human or Alan Wake...

As long as it' s not Fable 2...

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Not Alan wake,the developers themself recently said that they never show anything of max payne either until it was almost done,and has nothing to do with them not showing the game yet

And no,its not fable2,it sold ca 2 million copies,no way MS would not release a game like that.

never.

First of all,remember this is a rumor,who says its true?
And if true,perhaps its viva pinata2 or future Too human titles.

Even if you break 2 legs from a crab it still runs!
What you gotta do is find its weak spot and do massive damage at it.

Too Human , canceled ??

It cannot be Fable 2 , i mean its development seems to have been going on smoothly . It has to be alan wake or too human ..

Damn whatever it is thats alo' t of time to waste.

It aint alan wake . Confirmed here -> Scratch Alan Wake off the list .


It isnt fable 2 either . One of the guys from dev team confirms it . .


Seems it isnt Banjo either . link


Now that i think of it , too human is supposed to be coming out early 2008 . Isnt it a bit too late to cancel a game now . I mean , wouldn' t it make more sense if MS just puts the game and out and just try to sell as much copies as it can .

Yeah it doesnt sound very buisness wise to cancel a game youve already spent alot of money on.
Im thinking maybe a game is infact being cancelled but it isnt a major one, I mean rumors usually get blown way out of proportion.

wait.... a new guy who is logical? Welcome to kikizo

I dont want to celebrate, I want to sell you hate.

Thanks ;) Ive known about this site for a while, Well since that long MGS:TS Trailer came out and this was the only place i could watch it, I recently remembered this site and came to find a great interview with the creators of Ninja Gaiden, I read every word of every page. ;)
That was enough to plant the site back inside my head :P Contributing to this is the fact IGN is not working very well for me and the people there are really annoying, Also they banned me from commenting for no reason almost a day after i bought a subscription there :\ That was kinda the last straw and i don' t plan on visiting there forums ever again.
But yeah, Enough off topic chat.

I dont really have much more to add to my last post so i will leave it at that.

Welcome grant. Good to have you with us.

Well, this makes me wonder whether Microsoft aquired the Too Human IP...

ORIGINAL: Nitro
Well, this makes me wonder whether Microsoft aquired the Too Human IP...

You really want too human to be cancelled , huh ?

Welcome!

ORIGINAL: Grant Delmore

Yeah it doesnt sound very buisness wise to cancel a game youve already spent alot of money on.
Im thinking maybe a game is infact being cancelled but it isnt a major one, I mean rumors usually get blown way out of proportion.

It doesn' t sound good for business but it wouldn' t be the first time this happens. I' ve seen games before that had been developed for 3-4 years but suddenly got cancelled. The developers were annoyed of course but the people at the top decide in the end. One game I' m thinking of now is Sega' s (surprised? ;) ) Shenmue Online. It has cost over 20 million dollars already if I' m correct but it seems as if it' ll never be released the way things look now.

ORIGINAL: ys

It doesn' t sound good for business but it wouldn' t be the first time this happens. I' ve seen games before that had been developed for 3-4 years but suddenly got cancelled.

To the big ones with the most money it doesn' t matter if the game is like 40% finished or 95%. If they decide the game isn' t coming out, it just isn' t coming out. They might have liked the idea at first but later on if they don' t like it anymore they can just stop it from being released.

Yes it does sound like a lot of money that' s being wasted. But also keep in mind.

They' d rather hold it back and just have lost xxx amount of money instead of releasing a game that they think might harm the image of the name of the company and their platform.

If you look at it from a purely business stand point it' s actually better to hold back and cancel a title than to actually release it and have it dragging your name down. That' s how they look at it. A good image sells well, something that has things to drag it down sells less.

So in the end they prefer to lose the money it cost them to develop the thing, than losing more money because their perfect image has been shattered.

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Well i don' t think sega would cancel shenmue online, They wouldnt do that to us... would they :' ( There more likely to make us wait another 5 years.

And as for th image, Yeah i guess so but xbox already has that bad fratboy image so how can they go worse then that.

Shenmue online would be a disaster. It doesnt have the mainstream appeal to make it in that genre.

But dude its shenmue o.O
Ima get it no matter what just so it gets more money and hopefully the pull it needs to get shenmue 3 finally started, because dam i wanna know what happens with that sword.

And how would it be a dissaster the fighting in shenmue was great o.o and the trailer sure did look fun.

I know but a Shemue mmo would be stupid, since its a very story based game, you wouldnt get half the story out of it then a standard game, and it would be 10 times more expensive to make if you want quality.

I think you' re right Vx (unfortunately). The game is too different for most out there when it comes to online games. Kind of a pity since it could' ve offered something else besides the regular MMO' s that are around now. The last thing I heard was that Yu was working on it with a team of 300 people or so. And some stuff about thousands of cutscenes being made for the game O_O But in the end, it isn' t really the usual type of fantasy. Blizzard once said that it seemed as if the customer only wanted something like that, other things likely fail...

I think that much of Shenmue Online could be ruined in the end by immature people who only care about " leveling" . It would probably be hard to really get into the story with kids running around yelling noob etc. Having an instanced world would be preferred by me at least. I don' t know if this was the case or not.

I thought it was just a online fighter o.O
Edit: Well i thought that since i only saw the first demo they ever had that was just fighting, But i just watched the 13minet one that i somehow never saw from 2006 o.o http://vision.ameba.jp/watch.do?movie=517077
To me it seems liek there probably gonna have a 10 minet story mode at the start of online dictating what ryo does at the end of shenmue2, Makes a plan the heads to lanh di *thats in the trailer near the end where you see him infront of the goons holding joy as bargaining for the phoenix mirror, Then as you can see a online player jumps and stops the trade. then you see hundreds of players join, I mean to me that looks like the start of the game, Itll probly zoom around that movie till it shows a blank canvas then you create your character. Well those are my impressons anyway, From the trailer im strongly suspecting no shenmue 3 in name anyway.

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ORIGINAL: Grant Delmore

I thought it was just a online fighter o.O
Edit: Well i thought that since i only saw the first demo they ever had that was just fighting, But i just watched the 13minet one that i somehow never saw from 2006 o.o http://vision.ameba.jp/watch.do?movie=517077
To me it seems liek there probably gonna have a 10 minet story mode at the start of online dictating what ryo does at the end of shenmue2, Makes a plan the heads to lanh di *thats in the trailer near the end where you see him infront of the goons holding joy as bargaining for the phoenix mirror, Then as you can see a online player jumps and stops the trade. then you see hundreds of players join, I mean to me that looks like the start of the game, Itll probly zoom around that movie till it shows a blank canvas then you create your character. Well those are my impressons anyway, From the trailer im strongly suspecting no shenmue 3 in name anyway.

No. It' s a MMORPG akin to Star Wars: Galaxies not an online beat-em-up.

Then as you can see a online player jumps and stops the trade

Yeah, after what is apparently the longest typed-in log-in in the history of games!

If it' s Huxley I' ll shoot myself.

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In Shenmue' s case, I' ll rather have an ending to the story. Though the trailers do look alright, I still see no point in it being an online game. Many people have been waiting for the next chapter in the saga, I for one am one of them and I really want to see what' s next, but not in this fashion.

ORIGINAL: Agent Ghost

If it' s Huxley I' ll shoot myself.

Nah, ...it' s more than likely the Marvel MMO.

confirmed not too human or alan wake (they couldn' t be , not 1st party) , not banjo ... i doubt a journalist in a reputable magazine will spit such bullshit so balantly, but may be he confuses second party and 1 st party or may be he' s judging a game to be important while it' s not.

Listen to the wise

Well i for one think the move to online was kinda natural, Imagine it how i do, Your walking down the road and some other players like " Would you like to try a game of lucky hit" Or say you walk into a bar and some player there is like " I am the best Darts player in the world" i mean online works so well for the minigame aspects.
Im still trying to figure out if there gonna have action sequences still, And how would they implement them, I mean you cant have 50 players at once pushing over the same box or waiter now can you.
The fighting seems good, I hope they let you fight just anyone anywhere *with permission from both people of course*
The game would just rule. And if it doesn' t i will buy it anyway ;)


As for the actual topic, Whatever has been cancelled i don' t think its gonna be something big :\

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Here is this link I found:

http://www.gamespot.com/news/show_blog_entry.php?topic_id=26038789&sid=6182746&action=convert&om_clk=latestnews&tag=latestnews;title;1
It' s from gamespot' s rumor control, but they confirm that certain games, such as Alan Wake and Too Human ain' t the ones getting chopped. Doesn' t say which one will unfortunately.

Nice info from gamespot.
What other games are there then :\

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There is a bunch of them, just that I don' t remember and I am too lazy to re-read the article anyway

I read somewhere , its interstellar marines or some shit . Never heard of it .

I will be infuriated if it comes true, but I have a feeling that it might be Huxley.

Most wanted games:

Mass Effect
Assasins Creed
Crysis
Little Big Planet
Drakes Fortune
UTIII
Kane and Lynch
Heavy Rain
Alan Wake

Huxley is the fps mmo, right?

ORIGINAL: Chimura

Huxley is the fps mmo, right?

Yes.