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Wear Pink Tomorrow - Oct 26, 2007 08:38
Breast-Cancer Awareness day is tomorrow.

Wear pink. Give a damn

I' ve bought myself the " F&CK CANCER" shirt from CafePress . (The ampersand' s a breast-cancer ribbon)
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RE: Wear Pink Tomorrow - Oct 26, 2007 10:04
I don' t have pink clothing, I' ll wear my light blue high five shirt, that is as close as I have to girly pink.
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RE: Wear Pink Tomorrow - Oct 26, 2007 17:14
Is there a testicular cancer awareness day, too? What kind of colour do you wear on that day? When is it?

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RE: Wear Pink Tomorrow - Oct 26, 2007 17:59
So I can be aware tomorrow and not give a crap every other day? Rock on! My awareness tomorrow will lead to a cure!

Also, why is it only breast cancer and not all cancer? Do you not want to find a cure for other cancer as well? Why do you hate cancer patients that don' t have it in their breasts?

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RE: Wear Pink Tomorrow - Oct 26, 2007 18:17
Fuck that Eddie! More men die in prostate cancer than women die in breast cancer. But do we get as much attention? Hell no! The whole pink thing is a lame PR stunt.
What they should do is to support research of all types of cancer, that' s he kind of research I support.
I boycott the breast cancer movement since they only care about a specific group of people.

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RE: Wear Pink Tomorrow - Oct 26, 2007 18:43
Dude, it' s not politically correct to be a straight white male. If you are a woman you get special attention. If you are non-white you get special attention. If you are gay you get special attention. Straight white males oppress others. That' s what they' re bred for.

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RE: Wear Pink Tomorrow - Oct 27, 2007 01:25
I think most people are quite aware of breast cancer already! Men should get off their asses and make a testicular cancer awareness day. Then the men and women could have a competition to see who could raise the most awareness. And the winner gets the cure.

Its a good cause though. The ones who shout the most tend to get the most money. And cures aren' t free you know!

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RE: Wear Pink Tomorrow - Oct 27, 2007 03:10

Dude, it' s not politically correct to be a straight white male. If you are a woman you get special attention. If you are non-white you get special attention. If you are gay you get special attention. Straight white males oppress others. That' s what they' re bred for.


You should sing the blues, man... you and all the white men really have it rough!

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RE: Wear Pink Tomorrow - Oct 27, 2007 04:57

You should sing the blues, man... you and all the white men really have it rough!


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RE: Wear Pink Tomorrow - Oct 27, 2007 05:28
I see the point in Breast Cancer awareness. But I dont see the point in Autism Awareness month. Im pretty sure if you have autism you' re aware of it

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RE: Wear Pink Tomorrow - Oct 27, 2007 06:36


ORIGINAL: Joe Redifer

Dude, it' s not politically correct to be a straight white male. If you are a woman you get special attention. If you are non-white you get special attention. If you are gay you get special attention. Straight white males oppress others. That' s what they' re bred for.


Positive discrimination?

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RE: Wear Pink Tomorrow - Oct 27, 2007 07:05

You should sing the blues, man... you and all the white men really have it rough!


Was that sarcasm?

Seriously though I am not saying I want people to whine for me, but isn' t the whole equality thing supposed to make people equal? I really don' t see how giving special privledges to certain racial/ethnic group is making things equal.





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RE: Wear Pink Tomorrow - Oct 27, 2007 07:07
If a black man (or homosexual) gets attacked by a white man, it' s a hate crime and the punishment is more severe. If a white man gets attacked by a white man or a black man, there is supposedly no hate involved and the punishment is less severe. If you' re a straight white male, you can' t use discrimination as an excuse to get what you want like so many minorities do. Also, only white people can be racist. Just look at those 5 black kids who got arrested for beating a random white dude. The black community wants them released because it is " racist" to hold them for assault.

You can' t blame straight white men for all of your woes, and many people who are not straight white males do like to blame " the man" or whatever for keeping them down. Not enough look in the mirror and take on responsibility for themselves.

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RE: Wear Pink Tomorrow - Oct 27, 2007 09:35

Was that sarcasm?

Seriously though I am not saying I want people to whine for me, but isn' t the whole equality thing supposed to make people equal? I really don' t see how giving special privledges to certain racial/ethnic group is making things equal.


Yes.

The thing is, the situation has be unequal for centuries. We can' t just say everything' s perfect now and pretend like there hasn' t been a massive imbalance for generations.


If a white man gets attacked by a white man or a black man, there is supposedly no hate involved and the punishment is less severe.


Joe, you need to take a look at the statistical breakdown of what percentage of black men are U.S. citizens and what percentage of prison inmates are black men, then reconsider your analysis of the severity of punishment based on race in this country!
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RE: Wear Pink Tomorrow - Oct 27, 2007 10:05
I thought the LIVESTRONG campaign was to highlight Testicular cancer?

Prostrate cancer tends to be more the elderly. Breast Cancer is the more common, but the more easily treated these days.

But I am right with you and I will be wearing something pink, it is something close to home for my wife

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RE: Wear Pink Tomorrow - Oct 27, 2007 13:24

*** that Eddie! More men die in prostate cancer than women die in breast cancer. But do we get as much attention? Hell no! The whole pink thing is a lame PR stunt.
What they should do is to support research of all types of cancer, that' s he kind of research I support.
I boycott the breast cancer movement since they only care about a specific group of people.


***ing right! prostate cancer is just as common but it recieves 1/10th the funding for treatment and research compared to breast cancer. It' s our fault, women are simply more organized than we are. The other thing is that woman are far more likely to get regular check ups than men I think. Probably because the doctors are always trying to stick their fingers up our asses.


Joe, you need to take a look at the statistical breakdown of what percentage of black men are U.S. citizens and what percentage of prison inmates are black men, then reconsider your analysis of the severity of punishment based on race in this country!


In the US the problem isn' t so much law enforcement, in many areas in the US black people DO commit more crimes. But it isn' t because they' re black, it' s because they' re poor. The poor will always commit more crimes. The question is why are black people more poor than everyone else. That' s where you' ll find the significant subjugation. The US has a huge lower class.

I was thinking about this the other day, and in my opinion one of the biggest factors is the HUGE gap between public schools and private schools. In a lot of places in the US if you' re rich enough to send your kids to private schools, they' ll get a real education. Otherwise, the kids get sent to a useless public school. A lot of these kids have no chance of going to College or University. All the tallent in teaching gets absorbed in the private schools, public schools get nothing. The system is so ***ing bad. In some states they don' t even let the parents choose which public school to send they' re kids into. So there is no competition whatsoever. The schools/teachers have no reason to be motivated. The very least they could do is give competition with the public schools by giving parents a choice of which school to send their kids in. The schools with more kids get more funding. That' s how it should work.

I would even go so far to argue in a fair and just system, there would be no private schools at all. You shouldn' t be able to buy your success. You have an education system that favors the rich as opposed to a system that favors the intelligent and hard working. I' m not saying you should close Yale and Harvard, but reduce tuitions to put them at par with public schools and let them survive by government/corporate funding. If a school has real merit they get more funding.

That would even the odds quite a bit. Education is a human right, at least it is where I live. Money shouldn' t buy a better education.

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RE: Wear Pink Tomorrow - Oct 27, 2007 15:08
lol, where are you getting your info on US schools? Hollywood?
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RE: Wear Pink Tomorrow - Oct 27, 2007 15:16

lol, where are you getting your info on US schools? Hollywood?


I' m not sayiong this is everywhere, but look at the worst schools and ask yourself why.
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RE: Wear Pink Tomorrow - Oct 27, 2007 15:24

Joe, you need to take a look at the statistical breakdown of what percentage of black men are U.S. citizens and what percentage of prison inmates are black men, then reconsider your analysis of the severity of punishment based on race in this country!

Well as Agent said, a lot of areas do see more crime committed by black men (as well as hispanic or what have you).The media keeps trying to proclaim things like there are a lot more black people living in prison than in college dorms. That may be true, but who the hell wants to live in a college dorm? Way more black people are currently going to college if you count those who live off-campus than those living in prison. I' m not trying to say that racism never happens in the courtroom, but if you see a large percentage of black males in prison, it' s not all the " white man' s" fault. You are actually proving my point at how the straight white man is always perceived as being " wrong" and sometimes downright evil. The majority of black males in prison cannot be at fault here, right? I like what Bill Cosby said. He said that some black people complain that a white person is punished less for dealing crack than a black person is. His solution: DON' T DEAL CRACK! Of course this pissed of many in the black community for some odd reason.

I think that minorities should quit trying to impress their friends so much, grow a pair and start changing their lives for themselves. Then you' d see a real difference in this country.

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RE: Wear Pink Tomorrow - Oct 27, 2007 15:25
The areas where the schools are crap don' t have rich people.
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RE: Wear Pink Tomorrow - Oct 27, 2007 15:42

The areas where the schools are crap don' t have rich people.


Exactly, that' s my point. What I' m saying is that the poor in the US, considering that it' s such a rich nation are really poor (regardless of ethnicity). I realize on average the standards for American Schools are not too bad. A large reason they are stuck in that situation is because the poor don' t have access to the good schools. Merit won' t help them, being poor in the US means you' re ***ed for life, and your kids are also likely ***ed.

As I said in some States they can' t even choose which crappy school to attend. The district chooses for them. So there' s no reason for improvement. Academic standards sink for the poor.

The academic standard in Canada isn' t much better, but we' re more balanced here. We have a larger middle class than the US (percentage wise). That pretty much goes for everything. We have less crime than the US because we have a lower ratio of poor people. That' s largely because we have better social programs, the poor have better chances here, the poulation is much less dense, that plays a role in too. There' s also less subjugation in general here.

While we' re on the subject of prison population. There' s the whole punishment vs. reform argument. But that doesn' t have anything to do with ethnicity...



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RE: Wear Pink Tomorrow - Oct 27, 2007 20:07
There is a phenomenon called " the stereotype" .
The basics of this phenomenon is that when there is a stereotype of a certain group of people, let' s say black people, then that group will subconsciously try to become like the stereotype.
This means that if the media and the public impression of black people is that they commit more crime than other people, then black people will actually subconsciously commit more crime.
And that goes for all kinds of groups. There is a stereotype for all kinds of people like women, jews, teenagers, seniors, democrats, republicans, etc. and most often the people within those groups will subconsciously try to become like the stereotype.
Of course there are many exceptions, especially if a person is aware of the stereotype and deliberately tries to differ from it.
This phenomenon imposes a big problem because having people following a stereotype which includes bad behaviour is rather difficult to prevent. So for example, decreasing the amount of black people commiting crime isn' t just a task for the police officers and social welfare, but also a task for the media and the people.

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RE: Wear Pink Tomorrow - Oct 28, 2007 01:28

I boycott the breast cancer movement since they only care about a specific group of people.

So, you' re telling me that people who have, or people who know somebody who has breast-cancer are in the wrong because they' re trying to raise awareness about something that' s directly effected them?

I' d personally be happy to see the " breast cancer" month dropped in favor of a general cancer awareness month, as I' ve seen firsthand how it f*cks up lives. One shouldn' t have any more awareness than the other, but for the time being, raising awareness about one form of cancer is better than doing nothing at all right?



But I am right with you and I will be wearing something pink, it is something close to home for my wife

Thanks
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RE: Wear Pink Tomorrow - Oct 28, 2007 01:57
Not saying raising money for breast cancer is wrong but this particular PR stunt has become so big that it steals funding from research that needs the money much more.
If making a big fuss is a way of getting people to invest money in the right cause then that is the reason I' m making a big fuss in this particular thread!!!

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RE: Wear Pink Tomorrow - Oct 28, 2007 04:54
Middle class in canada have half the income of middle class in the US.
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RE: Wear Pink Tomorrow - Oct 28, 2007 05:51

Middle class in canada have half the income of middle class in the US.



That doesn' t matter, we' re talking about the lower class not the middle. I don' t know if it' s true or not. It might be true if we' re defining the middle class by looking at the average income of Canada and the US as opposed to the median. I' m not so much interested in the average income in the US and Canada. I' m more interested in the percentage of poor people in the US vs. Canada. Actually I' m not even that interested. But it would be interesting to see a direct comparison though, that kind of information is difficult to find. Even if you did find such numbers you' d still have to consider cost of living. I realize that the US has far more wealth than Canada as well as far more extremely wealthy people. That' s just not what I was getting at though. Bill Gates for example has more money than all black people in the US combined.
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RE: Wear Pink Tomorrow - Oct 28, 2007 07:52
But how will wearing pink (by anybody) help defeat breast cancer? I am already aware of breast cancer. This has not seemed to help it die. Even if every single person in the world wore pink, how much closer to a cure would that put the world? Not one iota. The doctors will continue their cancer research no matter what kind of clothes we wear.

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RE: Wear Pink Tomorrow - Oct 30, 2007 10:05

Bill Gates for example has more money than all black people in the US combined.
I dont know considering the majority of NFL, MLB, and NBA are black.

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RE: Wear Pink Tomorrow - Oct 30, 2007 10:40

I dont know considering the majority of NFL, MLB, and NBA are black.


Actually your right, it was; Bill Gates has more wealth than the bottom 50% of African Americans. Still that' s saying a lot.
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RE: Wear Pink Tomorrow - Oct 30, 2007 10:43



Actually your right, it was; Bill Gates has more wealth than the bottom 50% of African Americans. Still that' s saying a lot.
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RE: Wear Pink Tomorrow - Oct 30, 2007 12:20
I' ll wear my pink shirts to honor Chad Warden and for no other reason!
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RE: Wear Pink Tomorrow - Oct 30, 2007 17:09
Breast Cancer has had more research on it because a large number of the triggers for certain types are hormonal and therefore easier to generate treatments against. Most other cancer types have more complex triggers and therefore are harder to effectively treat.

But it is also high profile as a " women' s" disease so the media tend to go on about it a bit more (in the same way AIDS is portrayed by the media as " gay' s" disease which it isn' t)

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RE: Wear Pink Tomorrow - Nov 01, 2007 02:04

But it is also high profile as a " women' s" disease so the media tend to go on about it a bit more (in the same way AIDS is portrayed by the media as " gay' s" disease which it isn' t)


It' s not the same at all. Saying that AIDS is a gay disease is bigotry, while breast cancer IS VASTLY more common with woman. *Slaps face in astonishment*, not surprisingly this is because most men don' t have breasts. Some fat fucks do have breasts and some on rare occasions have even developed breast cancer though. You' re technically right, for woman it is a high profile disease. That has nothing to do with a few morons blaming AIDS on gays. Most people even the homophobic at least understand they can catch AIDS too. While men do not feel they can get breast cancer. For the most part they' d be right.
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RE: Wear Pink Tomorrow - Nov 01, 2007 06:49
wasn' t trying to compare the two diseases, they are vastly different in their epidemiology. Was only trying to say that certain pressure groups have managed through various means to stimulate the media into making these diseases (and their treatment) appear more important than others.

and breast cancer in men is becoming more prevalent because the environment is becoming steadily more polluted with oestrogenic compounds (which is also why male fertility in the developed world is dropping)

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RE: Wear Pink Tomorrow - Nov 01, 2007 06:58
Male fertility dropping is always a good thing!