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Stranglehold demo up (XBL) - Aug 08, 2007 19:14
Apparently it' s the first 60fps UE3.0 console game, the controls are fluid and work really well and it' s fun. But cutscenes are said to have sync issues, although whether like other games it' s worse over VGA or not i don' t know.

Obviously i can' t play it yet, so i' d appreciate feedback on whether or nor it' s as good as you hoped.

Also, i' ve been away since before E3 was finished and i' ve missed tons of stuff. Could some kind soul tell me what content (demos and XBLA/PSN titles specifically) has been added in the past month?


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RE: Stranglehold demo up (XBL) - Aug 08, 2007 19:41
mm gonna download it.
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RE: Stranglehold demo up (XBL) - Aug 08, 2007 21:46
Just played it and finished it on hard,and hard-boiled.

Its a max payne clone,and in the demo there isn' t anything special or cool at all.
However at the end of the demo there is some awesome video footage of cool moves and enviorment changes,like skyscrapes and banks,casinos etc.

If the story is decent,then im sure its an 8/10 game,being a max payne clone isnt bad.
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RE: Stranglehold demo up (XBL) - Aug 09, 2007 00:49
For you Nitro, the first demo I will let you know that just came up on marketplace in Canada yesterday is Eternal Sonata.

Other demos include:

1. Blue Dragon
2. Stuntman
3. Nascar
4. NCAA Football
5. APF 2K8
6. Ace Combat
7. Harry Pothead

PSN the newest demo that came up recently was Heavenly Sword.

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RE: Stranglehold demo up (XBL) - Aug 09, 2007 02:19
Canada is way after the rest of the world...and in gaming demos.

HAHAHAHAHAHA.


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RE: Stranglehold demo up (XBL) - Aug 09, 2007 03:59
I' ve had Eternal Sonata on my HDD for ages... was that a JP release?

Detailed Stranglehold impressions in a bit. My 360 doesn' t like my new service provider.

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RE: Stranglehold demo up (XBL) - Aug 09, 2007 04:08

Canada is way after the rest of the world...and in gaming demos.


Canada usually gets things at the same time the Americans do.

On a slightly different topic, guess who just saw a 100$ price drop on the 360. That' s right the Canucks!

http://www.dailytech.com/Xbox+360+Receives+100+Price+Drop+in+Canada/article8357.htm

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RE: Stranglehold demo up (XBL) - Aug 09, 2007 06:25
Thanks for the info Agent.

Another one for those damn Crazy Canucks boys!!!!!!

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RE: Stranglehold demo up (XBL) - Aug 09, 2007 06:46
Go and ride another horse/goat and wear your uniforms and eat ya bacon you damn lumberjacks.
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RE: Stranglehold demo up (XBL) - Aug 09, 2007 07:24

Could some kind soul tell me what content (demos and XBLA/PSN titles specifically) has been added in the past month?


not much on the psn front, graw 2 demo, Hs demo, a few film/game trailers. And a few ps1 games [CastleVania: sotn [I have that, cant get into it], spyro 2, medieveil 2 and others, think we are getting ridge racer tomorrow. Not sure] The extra content for blast factor is out in america. Thats it I think.
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RE: Stranglehold demo up (XBL) - Aug 09, 2007 08:10

think we are getting ridge racer tomorrow

Bout time!


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i' d appreciate feedback on whether or nor it' s as good as you hoped.

Been playing it for about an hour now, and I have to say, I' m really really impressed.

Graphics
Remember what you saw in the Stranglehold trailers a while back? Yeah? There you have it. The game doesn' t really stand out in screenshots. The enemy character design and environment quality isn' t really anything to write home about, and the water effects are anything but good (It looked like he was drinking gritty, yellow, dry-ice more than it did tequila with bubbles in it).

However, It runs at a relatively solid 60fps the whole way through, the game draws your eye to " cool stuff to ' splode" very naturally in a non-annoying sort of way. The smoke effects are absolutely awesome, the explosions are top-notch (the propane tanks really caught my eye) and the sheer amount of destructable objects makes the game look gorgeous in motion. I' ve only got one major complaint in the graphics department, and it has to do with the lighting. There' s no better way I can put this, as I don' t know why it' s happening, but all the enemies look like they' ve had their bloom cranked up about 400% higher than the environment.

Not a major issue, just a little off-putting.

Sound
Didn' t pay attention to the soundtrack, if there was any, so that means that it really doesn' t stand out much. The firearms are nice and loud, and the destructable environments all fizzle, pop, explode and crash very satisfyingly. The enemies don' t do a whole lot of talking, but it' s not like there' s a significant lack of voices either.

Controls
Right-trigger - Fire
Left-trigger - Context Sensitive Action/Dive
Left-bumper - A mostly useless cover button.
Right-bumper - SloMo

All the rest you could really figure out for yourself. There' s no reload button, as Mr. Woo has a brand new 120 round magazine for his pistols. Also, there' s no dedicated jump button, jumping/climbing is all contextual apparently, which I found odd.

Character movement is the most fluid I' ve ever played in a 3rd person 360 game yet. Aiming is quick when it needs to be, but it' s suprisingly precise. If there was an option to calibrate it beyond inversion, I never needed to do so.

Gameplay
Now, if you can envision this, imagine what Enter the Matrix could have been....

Shazaam! That' s Stranglehold. The game manages to give you that epic feeling of achieving movie-esque stunts and creative kills (A-la Black) without feeling like you' re being lead through a set of action-movie hoops. You can pick up on the frequent " Tequila Moments" or whatever they' re calling them, or you can go about your merry way, using the well-balanced slo-mo system. You don' t feel cheated out of an epic fight-scene if you don' t pick up on all of the context-sensitive qeues, which is quite an achievement.

Which leads me to the epic moments themselves. Whenever you are able to do something neato, a silver glint pops up where you should be doing it. (IE a kerosene tank having a bright white glint, or a handrail being lit up) All of it feels very natural, mainly because there are so many of them lying around (kerosene tanks, AC units, support beams, produce trollies, awnings with heavy objects above etc.).

The destructable environments are top-notch. There' s a fountain in the first area that while on first glance looks indestructable, so naturally, I pop about 4 or 5 shots into it & start to see parts chip off. I persist a little bit & large chunks start falling away. There' s stuff like that littered all through the demo. Very nice.

Last thing I' ll cover is Tequila' s special moves. I was really wary of these when I first got wind of them, as special moves in shooters tend to be rather bland & uninspired, but these captured the right balance of usefulness & fun. You fill a circular bar by well, shooting people. The more epic the kill, the more green you get, which means more special moves for you.

One gives you a quick health boost, just enough to dust whoever is bugging you & find a medkit.

One sends you on a bullet rampage. There' s a quick pan-back showing Tequila reloading his guns, looking menacing, then it heads back into the game, rather blurry & drained looking. You start firing like mad (not expending any of your ammo I might add) destroying anything and everything in your path. My only complaint is that there aren' t enough enemies to kill before your time runs out.

One is a spinning-attack where it pans back, shows Tequila spinning around firing tons of shots into everybody local, while a dove floats about looking poetic. It clears out the area of all enemies.

The final special ability (my personal favorite) is their precision-aim feature. Aim at an enemy, hit up on the D pad and your view zooms in on him. Take a precision shot & fire off a round. The camera follows your bullet & watches it hit. Depending on where you hit the guy, the results are different. So far I' ve gotten different results from headshots, a shot to the mouth, neck, shoulders, hands, heart, stomach, balls () and legs. Very very slick.

Final Impression?

B+ or an A-

From what I' ve seen, the game managed to avoid most of the problems that plague most 3rd person and destructable environment games. I' ll be buying this game at full price when it comes out, which is saying something.
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RE: Stranglehold demo up (XBL) - Aug 09, 2007 16:22
My only problem with it was the fact the bodies dissappear. All that destroyed enviroment stays put until you leave the area, but the bodies vanish. Tho before they vanish its fun sliding into them and seeing them as a solid mass getting tossed around.

Eddie said everything as I veiwed it as well. So not much else too add. I really hope thwe mulitplayer isnt just tacked on. It' ll be interesting since it using everything from the single player as well.

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RE: Stranglehold demo up (XBL) - Aug 09, 2007 17:07
Ah, that' s more like it! Why would i need a review when i' ve got the ever awesome Eddie to give detailed impressions like that!?

Thanks dude, it sounds superb. Roll on September!

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RE: Stranglehold demo up (XBL) - Aug 09, 2007 18:32
This game would be alright to play for 10 or 15 minutes, but it gets boring fast. Why does every game these days strive for realistic-as-possible graphics? Realism is getting really, really boring to look at.

Anyway, the frame rate in this demo bothers me. It runs at 60fps and then drops to 30 when it gets a bit hectic, then back to 60, then to 30. It is constantly stuttering back and forth. I would rather this game just run at a solid 30fps than try to do 60 whenever it can. It must be a shitty graphics engine programmed by amateurs. Or maybe the Xbox360 is an extremely weak machine, graphically. It is not meant to do 60fps in HD resolutions which it is expected to do. Stick to 30fps guys, and drop the realism graphics motif. It' s older than god damn f*ck. But hell, I am absolutely flabbergasted and amazed beyond belief that this isn' t an FPS game.

I also downloaded a demo of a game called Fatal Inertia, and it was one of the worst things I have ever played. Control was sloppy, like Wipeout. Sucked.
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RE: Stranglehold demo up (XBL) - Aug 09, 2007 23:34

Anyway, the frame rate in this demo bothers me. It runs at 60fps and then drops to 30 when it gets a bit hectic, then back to 60, then to 30. It is constantly stuttering back and forth. I would rather this game just run at a solid 30fps than try to do 60 whenever it can. It must be a shitty graphics engine programmed by amateurs. Or maybe the Xbox360 is an extremely weak machine, graphically. It is not meant to do 60fps in HD resolutions which it is expected to do. Stick to 30fps guys, and drop the realism graphics motif. It' s older than god damn f*ck. But hell, I am absolutely flabbergasted and amazed beyond belief that this isn' t an FPS game.

Variable framerate really bugs you doesn' t it? If I really take a good look, I notice a change between 60 & 30, however it' s not like it detracts from the game for me. Does it screw with your eyes or something funny?


I also downloaded a demo of a game called Fatal Inertia, and it was one of the worst things I have ever played. Control was sloppy, like Wipeout. Sucked.
I fell out of the level 2 seconds out of the gate!




Eddie said everything as I veiwed it as well. So not much else too add. I really hope thwe mulitplayer isnt just tacked on. It' ll be interesting since it using everything from the single player as well.

The multiplayer looks decent from the little video at the end there, the cover feature should be just as useless as it is in the story-mode, but I' m really wondering how they' re going to implement slo-mo, if at all. If I remember correctly, F.E.A.R. had a slo-mo component in it' s multiplayer, but I could never get into anything but Deathmatch or Teams to figure out how it worked!


Ah, that' s more like it! Why would i need a review when i' ve got the ever awesome Eddie to give detailed impressions like that!?

Thanks dude, it sounds superb. Roll on September!

No prob dude. It' s been on my " games to watch" list for a while, so I' m just glad that it delivered.
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RE: Stranglehold demo up (XBL) - Aug 10, 2007 01:09
I can tell a huge difference between 60 and 30fps and yes, it bothers me. I find it weird that Sega Rally 2 for the Dreamcast did this and everyone in the world bitched about it. But now many games do this as a common practice, yet nobody but me bitches? I imagine this is mostly a western thing to do. I don' t think I' ve ever seen a Japanese game do this (other than the aforementioned Sega Rally 2, of course). Variable frame rates should be illegal. So should v-sync tearing.
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RE: Stranglehold demo up (XBL) - Aug 10, 2007 05:11
Played the demo for 15 minutes and then stopped and deleted it.
I think it sucks. In every possible way.

Is it really running on the Unreal Engine? I' m starting to believe Silicon Knights accusations of sabotage are actually true...
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RE: Stranglehold demo up (XBL) - Aug 10, 2007 06:13
lol, its not Lego. Unreal engine is hard to devlop and if coders cant handle it they whine and whine untill Epic gets sued. Nice try SK!
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RE: Stranglehold demo up (XBL) - Aug 10, 2007 07:14

So should v-sync tearing.

Wanna ' splain for the slow kid?


Played the demo for 15 minutes and then stopped and deleted it.
I think it sucks. In every possible way.

It was only like a 10 minute demo dude. That means you played it 1.5 times! Your clever ruse doesn' t fool me Ging!

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RE: Stranglehold demo up (XBL) - Aug 10, 2007 09:04

Wanna ' splain for the slow kid?

That' s when the bottom half of the screen updates separately from the top half. You see this in many Xbox 360 games, especially a lot of the earlier ones. Moto GP 06 is full of it, as is that Ubisoft airplane game. Blue Dragon does it quite a bit, especially during the boss fight. It usually happens when the camera moves quickly to the left or right. It looks completely unprofessional and weak.

Seriously, the 360 is an extremely weak machine. It' d be better if it were SDTV only, then it wouldn' t have to worry about having to try and render good graphics at HDTV-level which is has an extremely tough time doing. Imagine all of that power dedicated to a 720x480 resolution.
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RE: Stranglehold demo up (XBL) - Aug 10, 2007 09:13
Yes, because we Canadians are known for riding goats? Where did that come from?

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RE: Stranglehold demo up (XBL) - Aug 10, 2007 09:23

Seriously, the 360 is an extremely weak machine. It' d be better if it were SDTV only, then it wouldn' t have to worry about having to try and render good graphics at HDTV-level which is has an extremely tough time doing. Imagine all of that power dedicated to a 720x480 resolution.


i still think that HDTV is not that important and i wish that power was headed to lower resolutions , we could gain so much, the only real difference i see beteween SDTV and HDTV is textures but then again HDTV has its own problems .

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RE: Stranglehold demo up (XBL) - Aug 10, 2007 10:27

Seriously, the 360 is an extremely weak machine. It' d be better if it were SDTV only, then it wouldn' t have to worry about having to try and render good graphics at HDTV-level which is has an extremely tough time doing. Imagine all of that power dedicated to a 720x480 resolution.


thre processor core at 3.2 ghz each and a graphic card beyond xt1900 -512mb .

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RE: Stranglehold demo up (XBL) - Aug 10, 2007 11:54
If it wasn' t weak, it wouldn' t be having so many graphical difficulties in so many games. I can understand some games looking like ass due to a crappy and/or inexperienced developer, but when even the big names have these problems, then there are performance issues with the hardware.

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RE: Stranglehold demo up (XBL) - Aug 10, 2007 11:55
Well,look at ps3.

30 framerates in each EA title,and while GTA4 was laggy as hell on the 360,it still only shows how badly the ps3 version must have been.

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RE: Stranglehold demo up (XBL) - Aug 10, 2007 12:06
I' ve never even played the PS3 (aside from a quick 15 seconds with Motorstorm at a Target store), but I doubt that it is much, if any more powerful than the 360.

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RE: Stranglehold demo up (XBL) - Aug 10, 2007 17:04


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lol, its not Lego. Unreal engine is hard to devlop and if coders cant handle it they whine and whine untill Epic gets sued. Nice try SK!




Vegas turned out really well. But then it was developed by one of the best studios there is.

SK just plain suck ass. It' s not like their previous game have been major technical accomplishments or anything. They paid a ton for the UE3.0 license and have had problems getting their stupid game running at a decent framerate. Fuck em.

But i' ve been watching Stranglehold for a while and i' ve always thought it was a nice looking game. I know the versions shown in videos up until now was the 360 version but obviously i haven' t played the demo yet so what' s changed? The only difference between Gears/Vegas and Stranglehold is that Gears and Vegas run at 30fps and Stranglehold at 60. Perhaps UE3.0 isn' t great for 60fps?

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RE: Stranglehold demo up (XBL) - Aug 10, 2007 17:48
The demo of Stranglehold is a grin inducing orgy of satisfying violence (oh god, send me to a nuthouse) stylish moves and glorius environmental destruction. The generous demo left me wanting more, which is real a good sign!

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RE: Stranglehold demo up (XBL) - Aug 10, 2007 17:56
It does tend to be very very linear almost claustrophobic, but that may have been because the demo took place in a back alley type area.

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RE: Stranglehold demo up (XBL) - Aug 10, 2007 18:10


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Played the demo for 15 minutes and then stopped and deleted it.
I think it sucks. In every possible way.

It was only like a 10 minute demo dude. That means you played it 1.5 times! Your clever ruse doesn' t fool me Ging!


When I talk time I usually don' t state the exact time, uness the situation requires so. It felt like somewhere between 5 and 15 minutes so I just guessed. Way to go to make me look stupid


Games that are good have demos that I can play for hours, over and over again. I played the hell out of the Forza 2 demo.
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RE: Stranglehold demo up (XBL) - Aug 10, 2007 18:23

It does tend to be very very linear almost claustrophobic, but that may have been because the demo took place in a back alley type area.


Yes, it is very linear. But in such a game I just want to shoot the hell out of things and people. Like a Woo film, it' s all about the action and I' m glad to say that Stranglehold delivers!

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RE: Stranglehold demo up (XBL) - Aug 10, 2007 18:51
Looking at some of the videos out there and the one at the end of the demo, it looks like you go thru the route until you reach the end of the stage pretty much and fight it out in a wider more open area.

Anyhow I hope that precision shots carries over exactly in the multiplayer. Nothing like shooting your good ol Live buddies in the nuts and watching them squirm about.

I know this wont be in the game but it' d be a nice little effect that if you shot them in the neck or mouth, it' d muffle anything they say into their mic. So many time' s you get some loudmouth jackass, so to be able to do that would be a gift from the heavens...

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RE: Stranglehold demo up (XBL) - Aug 10, 2007 19:17

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Well,look at ps3.

30 framerates in each EA title,and while GTA4 was laggy as hell on the 360,it still only shows how badly the ps3 version must have been.





Counting EA sport as like hardware demanding
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Assuming that since the 360 version of GTAIV was not fine tuned the PS3 version must be worst due to hardware

= Most stupid post ever

you' ve outdone yourself Quez, congratulations.
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RE: Stranglehold demo up (XBL) - Aug 10, 2007 19:27
Gah!! Quit saying that Stranglehold runs at 60fps. It only does it some of the time. If it barely ever dipped to 30fps, then maybe I' d accept that statement. But in order for someone to be boasting about the framerate, it needs to stay there... SOLID!

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RE: Stranglehold demo up (XBL) - Aug 10, 2007 22:25

i still think that HDTV is not that important and i wish that power was headed to lower resolutions , we could gain so much, the only real difference i see beteween SDTV and HDTV is textures but then again HDTV has its own problems .

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When I talk time I usually don' t state the exact time, uness the situation requires so. It felt like somewhere between 5 and 15 minutes so I just guessed. Way to go to make me look stupid

Yeah, I know dude.


It does tend to be very very linear almost claustrophobic, but that may have been because the demo took place in a back alley type area.

It was a very linear level. However check out the video at the end of the demo. Some of those environments look quite open air.
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RE: Stranglehold demo up (XBL) - Aug 11, 2007 00:02

Counting EA sport as like hardware demanding
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Assuming that since the 360 version of GTAIV was not fine tuned the PS3 version must be worst due to hardware

= Most stupid post ever

you' ve outdone yourself Quez, congratulations.


No you done it again,you dont show a version of a game that has pop up and laggs like hell for no reason.
Are you dumb enough to think the ps3 version was better?

And they just wanna hide that.
Say yes plz.
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RE: Stranglehold demo up (XBL) - Aug 11, 2007 11:54


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No you done it again,you dont show a version of a game that has pop up and laggs like hell for no reason.
Are you dumb enough to think the ps3 version was better?

And they just wanna hide that.
Say yes plz.



First off, you cant just assume that they are showing the 360 version because the PS3 version runs even worse AND use that as an argument to prove how powerful or how underpowered a machine is, if you want to measure the PS3 power i would recommend taking a look at Killzone 2, Rarchet&Clank FToD, Uncharted, Heavenly Sword, Lair, GT5, and Hot Shot Golf 5, however, thats not my point.

So well, let us say that yes, the PS3 version of GTA 4 runs like shit and thats the reason we haven' t seen anything of it, granted, then please read my answer again.


Assuming that since the 360 version of GTAIV was not fine tuned the PS3 version must be worst due to hardware


There are many reasons why the PS3 version of GTA 4 would -hypothetically- run worse, it could be due to development time, it could be due to problems porting etc, not necessarily due to hardware, however you just assume that MUST BE THE CASE without solid proof whatsoever.

Two assumptions in you argument = FAIL.

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RE: Stranglehold demo up (XBL) - Aug 11, 2007 12:41
The PS3 hardware IS inferior on paper. Except that it has BluRay. That' s it' s only real advantage over the 360. The reason it has so many shitty ports is because CELL and the ram configuration is far from ideal for a console. In addition to this Sony has shitty support for developers. The fact that the 360 is the primary (secondary after PC) development platform mearly compounds the problem.

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RE: Stranglehold demo up (XBL) - Aug 11, 2007 15:34
I read that they were having a hard time getting it to run on the PS3, which is why all versions was delayed! since there is a deal not to release one before the other!

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RE: Stranglehold demo up (XBL) - Aug 11, 2007 16:38
Back to stranglehold for a moment.

Do you think if you collect all those paper cranes in the demo somthing special will happen? I tried but I know I missed a few since I didnt start looking til part way thru. I did find some sub-machine guns tho.

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