Wii Software Rant

I am pissed off about how developers treat the Wii like an infant. They just try to dumb their games down and seem to believe that they are obligated to always fit in unnecessary motion control. Why is this, though? Not every developer is implementing the Sixaxis into their PS3 titles just for the hell of it, so why should the Wii be any different?

Another thing I don' t get is how the ' Cube had many great games that would eat your life away like Paper Mario: TTYD, The Legend of Zelda: Wind Waker and even Pikmin 2. So how come the Wii is mainly made up of tired ports and watered down spin-offs (such as Tony Hawk' s Downhill Jam)? What has the Gamecube got that the Wii hasn' t? Isn' t the Wii more powerful than it? Should people have to settle with " Soul Calibur Legends" when Nintendo was capable of Soul Calibur 2 on their previous console?

Don' t get me wrong. There are lots of games I am looking forward to on the Wii: Super Paper Mario, Super Smash Bros Brawl, Super Mario Galaxy, Metroid Prime 3, Resident Evil: The Umbrella Chronicles, Fire Emblem: Goddess of Dawn, Mario & Sonic at the Olympics and Nights: Journey of Dreams to name a few. However, compare that to the HUGE numbers of games that are being released for the PS3 and Xbox 360 in just this year alone: Bioshock, Mass Effect, Halo 3, Splinter Cell: Conviction, Brothers in Arms Hell' s Highway, Assassin' s Creed, Naruto: Rise of a Ninja, The Darkness, Grand Theft Auto IV, Alone in the Dark, Alan Wake, etc. The Wii needs more proper games, and not just five-second minigames that the player has to shake the remote and nunchuck like a pair of maracas to.

Looking at Super Smash Bros Brawl and Mario Galaxy, these are two fine examples of how a game can be done properly without much unneeded control tweaks (if what we' ve seen and heard is anything to go by). Why can' t we have more stuff like that? Obviously, I don' t mind if the game actually works with the controls. Metroid Prime 3 might be just the game to make (near) perfect use of the controls, and not making them feel tacked on. Manhunt 2, which NGamer awarded an astonishing 92%, could' ve also been one of those games (and perhaps also be able to prove to developers that the Wii is capable of much bigger things), as the controls supposedly work well for that game. Of course, it just had to be (temporarily?) banned until Rockstar could make it more " acceptable" , didn' t it? This is another thing that just gets underneath my skin.

I suppose it is good to actually see some great online games on the horizon (with Mario Strikers Charged already out). It may not be able to compete with Xbox Live, and waiting times may be agonising, but it still offers plenty of good clean fun. I' m really hoping for the inevitable Mario Kart to be announced soon too.

Oh well, I guess I should end this on a positive note, so I won' t say any more than that. We all know Nintendo are the king of party games, and are pretty damn good with games in general (judging from the SNES, N64, Gamecube and various Gameboy iterations), so I am hoping we will see more of what we used to- superb classics that will stay in our memories, in the good way. I guess, for now, all we can do is enjoy some of the Wii, 360 and PS3' s back catalogues until we get a few AAA titles that Ninty are famous for. My rant is over (just wanted to get it all off my chest)... for now.

i understand your frustration...

They didn' t expect Wii to do so well so they didn' t really have any real titles planned for Wii. So they opt for quick ports and throw in some bad motion controls.

The developers have just been lazy when it comes down to the Wii but that can' t last forever so they' ll have to start trying anyway. I know DS and Wii can' t really be compared but if Wii is going down that road we' ll be starting to get good games in a while when the developers start getting of their lazy asses and actually try to make something instead of doing a quick port.

The thing that annoys me most is that they always make a port of the damn PS2 versions. They could at least pick the xbox version and give us a bit more eye candy.


Ah well as I said they can' t keep doing this. But for now we' ll have to be content with wath Nintendo itself serves us. Cause for the moment those are the only things who are really worth it that are out there. And SEGA did a bit of an effort with Sonic.

I do like the list of games you mentioned for Wii. Those should be games that everyone with a Wii should get when they are out.

But I don' t agree with ya on the maracas part. Well not completely. I would love to have a new Samba de Amigo on Wii. But you are right at another point. There are to many mini games out there.

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a lot of developers also have a rep,they wanna do graphic intense epic titles,and you could multiplattform that to ps3+xbox360+pc but not on a wii...

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What you gotta do is find its weak spot and do massive damage at it.

Well Marink, y' know what I' ve expressed vehemently for quite some time...

I am pissed off about how developers treat the Wii like an infant. They just try to dumb their games down and seem to believe that they are obligated to always fit in unnecessary motion control. Why is this, though? Not every developer is implementing the Sixaxis into their PS3 titles just for the hell of it, so why should the Wii be any different?

Another thing I don' t get is how the ' Cube had many great games that would eat your life away like Paper Mario: TTYD, The Legend of Zelda: Wind Waker and even Pikmin 2. So how come the Wii is mainly made up of tired ports and watered down spin-offs (such as Tony Hawk' s Downhill Jam)? What has the Gamecube got that the Wii hasn' t? Isn' t the Wii more powerful than it? Should people have to settle with " Soul Calibur Legends" when Nintendo was capable of Soul Calibur 2 on their previous console?

Don' t get me wrong. There are lots of games I am looking forward to on the Wii: Super Paper Mario, Super Smash Bros Brawl, Super Mario Galaxy, Metroid Prime 3, Resident Evil: The Umbrella Chronicles, Fire Emblem: Goddess of Dawn, Mario & Sonic at the Olympics and Nights: Journey of Dreams to name a few. However, compare that to the HUGE numbers of games that are being released for the PS3 and Xbox 360 in just this year alone: Bioshock, Mass Effect, Halo 3, Splinter Cell: Conviction, Brothers in Arms Hell' s Highway, Assassin' s Creed, Naruto: Rise of a Ninja, The Darkness, Grand Theft Auto IV, Alone in the Dark, Alan Wake, etc. The Wii needs more proper games, and not just five-second minigames that the player has to shake the remote and nunchuck like a pair of maracas to.

Looking at Super Smash Bros Brawl and Mario Galaxy, these are two fine examples of how a game can be done properly without much unneeded control tweaks (if what we' ve seen and heard is anything to go by). Why can' t we have more stuff like that? Obviously, I don' t mind if the game actually works with the controls. Metroid Prime 3 might be just the game to make (near) perfect use of the controls, and not making them feel tacked on. Manhunt 2, which NGamer awarded an astonishing 92%, could' ve also been one of those games (and perhaps also be able to prove to developers that the Wii is capable of much bigger things), as the controls supposedly work well for that game. Of course, it just had to be (temporarily?) banned until Rockstar could make it more " acceptable" , didn' t it? This is another thing that just gets underneath my skin.

I suppose it is good to actually see some great online games on the horizon (with Mario Strikers Charged already out). It may not be able to compete with Xbox Live, and waiting times may be agonising, but it still offers plenty of good clean fun. I' m really hoping for the inevitable Mario Kart to be announced soon too.

Oh well, I guess I should end this on a positive note, so I won' t say any more than that. We all know Nintendo are the king of party games, and are pretty damn good with games in general (judging from the SNES, N64, Gamecube and various Gameboy iterations), so I am hoping we will see more of what we used to- superb classics that will stay in our memories, in the good way. I guess, for now, all we can do is enjoy some of the Wii, 360 and PS3' s back catalogues until we get a few AAA titles that Ninty are famous for. My rant is over (just wanted to get it all off my chest)... for now.

Hardcore gamers that bought a Wii are in the minority compared to casual gamers. And those people didn' t buy a Wii for the graphics. You got suckered.

"If you knew how good I am you would think I'm modest."

I fell your pain Marink, and to be honest i' m surprised the Wii has got this far considering the shovelware that has plagued it since it launched. Well Nintendo isn' t faultless in this regard either, there relative failure in the previous generation and the countless internet rumours of them turning into a thirdparty only developer ala Sega, i' m pretty sure the majority of the developers didn' t think Nintendo had any chance on success in this generation of consoles. If i came down to 3 competing HD consoles, considering what happened for 2 consecutive generations, Nintendo was sure to lose once again. In other words the events leading up to the Wii did not give developers any real confidence in any of Nintendos endeavours. Oh how things can change.

Like others have mentioned, who would have though the Wii would have been as successful as it was today - i certainly didn' t. So imagine what the developers would have though - " lets sink millions in to developing games for Nintendos new console - Nintendo the company that has been soundly beated in 2 previous generations - develops a console with a an unusual & very risky motion controls and no HD graphics - that looks like a profitable venture" . ITs not hard to see why developers have not really given the Wii any substancial support.

Remember this can all change. Wiis continued success gives developers more incentive to put some serious effort into there Wii games. So the future does look promising, especially with Nintendos offerings more then adequately satisfying gamers needs till the thrid party developers get there act together. SO don' t give up hope just yet - i most certainly will not.

I read in interview that was very telling. A CEO of THQ basically said that they can make low budget titles for Wii and turn a profit while focusing their larger budget stuff on the high end platforms.

EDIT: (you fucking pansies with your low res monitors)
http://onthexbox.com/news1120.aspx

It doesn' t seem like there is much incentive for publishers to take the risk with large budget titles when low budget stuff are just as profitable on Wii.

I don' t recall any THQ games on Wii, nor any in the future so this news doesn' t concern me anyway. On the other hand Ubisoft admitted on releasing shovelware for the Wii and vowed to improve their Wii offerings in the future.

In any event you mentioned that developing Wii games is profitable - thats a good start. Whether it translates into more cheap rehashes/shovelware we' ll soon find out - but the fact that more developers see the Wii as profitable - supposedly enough to ' help' develop for other platforms means Wii is a viable option for games developers.
Even if what you say is true don' t assume that thats indicative of all developers developing on the Wii.

I don' t recall any THQ games on Wii, nor any in the future so this news doesn' t concern me anyway

According to their site, they have 3 games out for the wii right now(Avatar: The Last Airbender, Cars, and SpongeBob: Creature from the Krusty Krab) which are all kiddie games. They have 2 games listed as upcoming games which are WWE Smackdown vs Raw 08' and something called Ratatouille. So yeah, THQ are putting garbage on the wii

is this page wider than normal for anyone else?

"If you knew how good I am you would think I'm modest."

Well i didn' t know those were THQ games (never even thought to check who made that garbage) but they like many are part of the shovelware Wii is drowning in at the moment. I wish Nintendo should just ban companies that only make shovelware on there consoles. I know it won' t happen but i' d be glad if they did.

F* you to THQ, well at least your PC games are good, but lets start making some ' decent' Wii games.

BTW Locopuyo its also stupid wide for me too

is this page wider than normal for anyone else?

It happened when Terrak made this long post:

I fell your pain Marink, and to be honest i' m surprised the Wii has got this far considering the shovelware that has plagued it since it launched. Well Nintendo isn' t faultless in this regard either, there relative failure in the previous generation and the countless internet rumours of them turning into a thirdparty only developer ala Sega, i' m pretty sure the majority of the developers didn' t think Nintendo had any chance on success in this generation of consoles. If i came down to 3 competing HD consoles, considering what happened for 2 consecutive generations, Nintendo was sure to lose once again. In other words the events leading up to the Wii did not give developers any real confidence in any of Nintendos endeavours. Oh how things can change.

Like others have mentioned, who would have though the Wii would have been as successful as it was today - i certainly didn' t. So imagine what the developers would have though - " lets sink millions in to developing games for Nintendos new console - Nintendo the company that has been soundly beated in 2 previous generations - develops a console with a an unusual & very risky motion controls and no HD graphics - that looks like a profitable venture" . ITs not hard to see why developers have not really given the Wii any substancial support.

Remember this can all change. Wiis continued success gives developers more incentive to put some serious effort into there Wii games. So the future does look promising, especially with Nintendos offerings more then adequately satisfying gamers needs till the thrid party developers get there act together. SO don' t give up hope just yet - i most certainly will not.

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Did it? My bad

lol, I' m pretty sure its not your fault

No, it' s Agent Ghost' s fault for posting the long URL. Hell, I prefer it wider!

They just try to dumb their games down and seem to believe that they are obligated to always fit in unnecessary motion control. Why is this, though? Not every developer is implementing the Sixaxis into their PS3 titles just for the hell of it, so why should the Wii be any different?

They put in motion control because that is 100% of what the Wii is based on. It' s like putting in HD graphics on the Xbox360 or CD quality audio on the Sega CD. Without it, the console wouldn' t exist. The Wii is absolutely nothing else except for the added motion control. Without it, it' s just a Gamecube. You may pretend that it' s more powerful, but the difference is so small that 99.9% of the world' populace could never tell the difference. The Wii should just be a peripheral for the Gamecube, but peripherals don' t sell well, so they made a whole new system and added some solid state memory built-in so you could pay to download stuff.

My belief is that the Wii' s only real quality is its motion control and that if they made any game without it then it would sell badly. If you wanted to have a console that didn' t have motion control and had better graphics and better third party support then you should have gotten one of the other systems, btu you didn' t so that means you bought it knowing that it had extremely reduced graphics quality and that it had motion control(i.e a lot of nunchuck shaking and a lot of party games. So if you insist on whining then you should at least have the balls to say that you bought the cheaper more gimmicky console and now you are paying for it.

On the other hand if you bought a Wii for the party games and its novelty(and ofcourse price) then good for you because if thats what you wanted then thats exactly what you got. I personally find the mini games and party games fun and so I play my friends which is about as much time as I want to play it.

is this page wider than normal for anyone else?

It happened when Terrak made this long post:

No, it' s Agent Ghost' s fault for posting the long URL. Hell, I prefer it wider!

Ok first who gives a damn who' s fault it is and I f***ing hate it I have to scroll over just to read the damn thing.

I like it wider, it would be nice if they didn' t code in a length and let it fill up your whole page. You must be on a pretty low resolution screen if you have to scroll over for this!

"If you knew how good I am you would think I'm modest."

My belief is that the Wii' s only real quality is its motion control and that if they made any game without it then it would sell badly. If you wanted to have a console that didn' t have motion control and had better graphics and better third party support then you should have gotten one of the other systems, btu you didn' t so that means you bought it knowing that it had extremely reduced graphics quality and that it had motion control(i.e a lot of nunchuck shaking and a lot of party games. So if you insist on whining then you should at least have the balls to say that you bought the cheaper more gimmicky console and now you are paying for it.

On the other hand if you bought a Wii for the party games and its novelty(and ofcourse price) then good for you because if thats what you wanted then thats exactly what you got. I personally find the mini games and party games fun and so I play my friends which is about as much time as I want to play it.

Fuck iv been suckered!


The thing about the Wii for me, is that there are no games that im paying 39-49£ for, im not going to pay that much money for silly party games where 80% of them arent fun at all.

I guess ill just have to wait and get the few must have titles that will arrive, Mario Galaxy, Mario Kart, Zelda, Paper Mario, i dont think we wil see any pleasant surprises at all!

My belief is that the Wii' s only real quality is its motion control and that if they made any game without it then it would sell badly.

We' ll see about that when Super Smash Bros Brawl is released then, won' t we?

If you wanted to have a console that didn' t have motion control and had better graphics and better third party support then you should have gotten one of the other systems, btu you didn' t so that means you bought it knowing that it had extremely reduced graphics quality and that it had motion control

Oh no. I bought a console knowing that it has worse graphics than the others and motion control!!!

Read my post again.

So if you insist on whining then you should at least have the balls to say that you bought the cheaper more gimmicky console and now you are paying for it.

Paying for it? The Wii is getting quite a few great games this/next year- ie. Smash Bros Brawl and Metroid Prime. I' m just saying that the Wii needs more games like those.

On the other hand if you bought a Wii for the party games and its novelty(and ofcourse price) then good for you because if thats what you wanted then thats exactly what you got. I personally find the mini games and party games fun and so I play my friends which is about as much time as I want to play it.

That' s one reason why I bought the Wii in the first place. The fun party games. However, the Wii is getting too many games like them that aren' t worth the £30 we are being charged for. You may be made of money, but that isn' t the case for all of us.

If I know those corporate masterminds at Nintendo right, I' d say that they are deliberately holding back titles as long as they can make it look like the sales are great.
Keeping the stock holders satisfied is priority no 1.
Satisfied gamers is no 2.

I don' t think they' re diliberatly holding back games. They' re busy making them, obviously they' re spacing them out. Why make competing products with themselves when you don' t have to?

It only seems like they' re holding them back because Nintendo is only one publisher/developer. The only solid hope for quality on Wii is from Nintendo, I can' t see any other developer dumping truck loads of money in developing a Wii title. Wii is certainly going to have some fun games, but don' t expect anything super impressive.

Looking at the other platforms, that' s where the publishers are taking the risks with the AAA titles.

ORIGINAL: ginjirou
Keeping the stock holders satisfied is priority no 1.
Satisfied gamers is no 2.

Thats true for ALL companies not just gaming companies - to believe otherwise is foolish.
Lets not just make the assumption that NIntendo is the only one thats guilty of this now they have two successful consoles on the market.

And Agent i do think they are holding back games myself, but only because they supposedly can' t keep up with the demand for the Wii. Releasing AAA console selling titles when they can' t produce enough consoles is very bad for business. There definately waiting for things to die down or when they can produce enough consoles to meet demand, thats my theory anyway (Metroid and Galaxy were supposed to be released around launch weren' t they?).

BTW i bet you didn' t think the Wii would be as successful as it is now did you (tell the truth now). SO it is entirely possible that when you don' t think that developers will make AAA titles for Wii you could also be wrong about that aswell.. Anyway the way the Wii is going anything is possible.

ORIGINAL: Terrak

ORIGINAL: ginjirou
Keeping the stock holders satisfied is priority no 1.
Satisfied gamers is no 2.

Thats true for ALL companies not just gaming companies - to believe otherwise is foolish.
Lets not just make the assumption that NIntendo is the only one thats guilty of this now they have two successful consoles on the market.

Nope, 3D Realms.

"If you knew how good I am you would think I'm modest."

BTW i bet you didn' t think the Wii would be as successful as it is now did you (tell the truth now ). SO it is entirely possible that when you don' t think that developers will make AAA titles for Wii you could also be wrong about that aswell. . Anyway the way the Wii is going anything is possible.

Not to be negative here, but you cant technically call it a success yet. For example, people might just stop buying wiis and they would never sell another, then they would have a total sell of less than 5 million which wouldnt be successful at all would it? Although this would never happen. How many consoles does a company have to sell overall to become labeled as successful?

Oh lord, are we still discussing the sudden & magical flood of 3rd party support that Wii is going to get once it' s been on the market for more than a couple months?





Whoops. Guess I... um... messed up the date there or something. I was starting to think that the Wii has been out for 8 months with nothing to play but Zelda.

My bad.

Mastachefbkw, don' t worry i' m not confusing success with victory.
Success of the Wii is relative. compared to the other consoles currently for sale the Wii is selling very well, & thats why i feel it is a success (so far). However the Wiis current success does not mean it has won the console war, not by any means.

BTW estimates of Wii sold WW have it hovering around the 8 million mark, not less the 5 million. Even Nintendo sales figures had sales of around 6 million in April i believe.

Estimates are just that, we' ve been over this before. Quarterly announcements from Nintendo are the only things that hold real weight.

No doubt the sales are over 5 million, but unless one of us is on the inside we' re making a total shot in the dark with those numbers.

Are there actually any game scoming out for the Wii that don' t have motion control?

There is no doubt that the Wii is selling otherwise there would be Wiis on shelves but there isn' t so that' s a mute point but to think that a console that si selling to more casual gamers then anyone else there is no reason for Nintendo to come out with any games other than fun mini-game type games. I don' t see any reason why you' d complain even if you went and bought it knowing that it was a party game console. Now if you think that third party support is going to drastically increase then you are mostly crazy. Now I can see some third party games coming out for the Wii but most of them are going to be party game type games and the biggest problem with that is they can' t go multi-platform very well so you are going to see games like Rival Swords throughout the rest of this generation.

But that' s just my humble opinion and we shall see if it comes true.

Are there actually any game scoming out for the Wii that don' t have motion control?

Thats like asking if they' ll actually make a DS that doesnt require the touch screen

Are there actually any game scoming out for the Wii that don' t have motion control?

Thats like asking if they' ll actually make a DS that doesnt require the touch screen

That was my point it would just be stupid not to have it motion controled.

I never touched the touch screen for the 2nd Phoenix Wright game. Well I had to when I turned it on to get past the Nintendo " You agree not to sue us if you get sick" health screen.

Are there actually any game scoming out for the Wii that don' t have motion control?

Again, I will refer back to Super Smash Bros Brawl. Mario Strikers Charged also makes very little use of motion control, but it still works and is fun to play. There' s also LOADS of great DS games that make little to no use of the touch screen at all (such as Mario Kart DS, Phoenix Wright and Tony Hawks American Sk8land).

But anyway, where, in any of my posts, did I say that I didn' t like using the controller? My words were, and I quote, " The Wii is getting quite a few great games this/next year- ie. Smash Bros Brawl and Metroid Prime. I' m just saying that the Wii needs more games like those." Get your facts straight next time.

About the Wii, I don' t think all games have to be motion controlled just because the possibility is there. A developer who doesn' t really see how motion control could make things easier could for example invest more time in the graphical side of things. Instead of trying to get some motion sensitivity in there, just because they feel that they have too. The fact that the Wii needs some more coding for certain graphical things made developers ignore that ( I think shaders is one of those things). So games wind up looking less good than they could otherwise. With the PS2 on the other hand, they were willing to go to great lengths to code some extra stuff or have workarounds. So they could compensate graphically for things not built into the hardware. Stuff the Dreamcast, Gamecube and Xbox had then.

But PS2-games didn' t look too good either in general in the beginning. So who knows, maybe the developers for Wii will get their act together as time goes?

Ok first who gives a damn who' s fault it is and I f***ing hate it I have to scroll over just to read the damn thing.

*loves ctrl-F11 in Opera*

Marik i feel for you.. It' s funny people using any excuse to diss the Wii. But it' s potential is huge.

Im playing through Res 4 on Wii right now... a GC upade? so? still by far the best game with the best gameplay ive witnessed on a console Shooter this generation. Really wipes the floor with any of the generic pad-play shooters ive tried to play.

This early stage is simply experiment time for wii, I' ll wait till this time next year for consistant quality titles. (on par with the Res 4' s).

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Super Stardust HD (psn) /  Virtua Fighter 5 (360)
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"If you knew how good I am you would think I'm modest."

Marik i feel for you.. It' s funny people using any excuse to diss the Wii.

WTF are you on about???

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Marik i feel for you.. It' s funny people using any excuse to diss the Wii. But it' s potential is huge.

Ok I was not dissing the Wii I think the console does what it was meant to do but I can' t see myself buying one because I just don' t like many of the games and as I said I play it whenever I go over to my friends house who has one, but my point was that people need to start getting worked up over the bad ports which everyone knew was going to happen because of its radical interface.

Are there actually any game scoming out for the Wii that don' t have motion control?

Again, I will refer back to Super Smash Bros Brawl. Mario Strikers Charged also makes very little use of motion control, but it still works and is fun to play. There' s also LOADS of great DS games that make little to no use of the touch screen at all (such as Mario Kart DS, Phoenix Wright and Tony Hawks American Sk8land).

Ok first I was actually asking a question because I didn' t know there were any. But to think that a lot of the Wii games are going to have no motion control is silly because that is what significantly sets it apart from the other consoles.

But anyway, where, in any of my posts, did I say that I didn' t like using the controller? My words were, and I quote, " The Wii is getting quite a few great games this/next year- ie. Smash Bros Brawl and Metroid Prime. I' m just saying that the Wii needs more games like those." Get your facts straight next time.

When did I say in either of my posts that you didn' t like using the controller? What I am saying is that you shouldn' t expect many games that don' t use motion control and yes I agree that the Wii deserves more credit than it is getting and prolly more support but I doubt that many of the games third party companies will make will be not have bad tacked on motion control and one of the biggest problems is that lots of the third party developers are going multi-platform and the Wii cant stand up graphics wise so they have to have some selling point. But whatever I am not posting in this thread again because I am sick of it.

Marik i feel for you.. It' s funny people using any excuse to diss the Wii. But it' s potential is huge.

Im playing through Res 4 on Wii right now... a GC upade? so? still by far the best game with the best gameplay ive witnessed on a console Shooter this generation. Really wipes the floor with any of the generic pad-play shooters ive tried to play.

This early stage is simply experiment time for wii, I' ll wait till this time next year for consistant quality titles. (on par with the Res 4' s).

Come on, the Wiimote isnt that good, I Spy that next gen, wii mote wil be a periphal to the next gen nitendo console!