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The Agency (PS3) - WTF??? - Jun 12, 2007 01:10
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SOE proving once again that they have no idea what they' re doing.

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RE: The Agency (PS3) - WTF??? - Jun 12, 2007 01:47
What a shit game,and before someone think its because on the ps3 its also coming for pc,and it sux,stay the fuckl away form it,mkkkay.

Even if you break 2 legs from a crab it still runs!
What you gotta do is find its weak spot and do massive damage at it.

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RE: The Agency (PS3) - WTF??? - Jun 12, 2007 02:00
I can' t believe that this is what Sony is going to have for its first MMO for the PS3 and the screenshots are rather underwhelming considering all of this untapped power that the PS3 is supposedly packing which has not been brought forth.

I don' t want this to turn into another console debate but its not like I can really stop any of you if you decide to.




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RE: The Agency (PS3) - WTF??? - Jun 12, 2007 02:23
Is this the ' big annocemnt' that was planned for today?, first of all I dont care for the game, and secondly I already knew of it!
Change is inevitable. Except from a vending machine.

Viva La Revolution! erm, I mean Viva La Wii!

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RE: The Agency (PS3) - WTF??? - Jun 12, 2007 03:11
Sony hasn' t said anything about a big announcement have they? A embargo were going to be lifted on a exclusive game, big announcement is just media-jargon, by someone who' s going to get a visit on their podcast by the creators of the game today. :-/

As for the Agency, I think the graphics should be very good by current MMO-standards, if these screens are anything to judge.. :-/
It would be interesting to see large groups of people in those details, if we get something along the lines to CoH/CoV-kind of characther-customization...:-/
I' m looking forward to it, and hope it could be cool.. To many people ignore all MMO' s wich isn' t WoW.

PS! Could you use spoiler-tags on images in original message..
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RE: The Agency (PS3) - WTF??? - Jun 12, 2007 03:18
Sounds dumb

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RE: The Agency (PS3) - WTF??? - Jun 12, 2007 04:30


ORIGINAL: KongRudi

PS! Could you use spoiler-tags on images in original message..


Not on these boards.

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RE: The Agency (PS3) - WTF??? - Jun 12, 2007 05:49

Sony hasn' t said anything about a big announcement have they? A embargo were going to be lifted on a exclusive game, big announcement is just media-jargon, by someone who' s going to get a visit on their podcast by the creators of the game today. :-/

As for the Agency, I think the graphics should be very good by current MMO-standards, if these screens are anything to judge.. :-/
It would be interesting to see large groups of people in those details, if we get something along the lines to CoH/CoV-kind of characther-customization...:-/
I' m looking forward to it, and hope it could be cool.. To many people ignore all MMO' s wich isn' t WoW.

PS! Could you use spoiler-tags on images in original message..


Guess its because Sony sucks at making MMO' s!

The details on the models are decent, girl on the first pic as nice attributes, but they coudl do better, they should put more efforts into making the surroundings blend in with the models even if it means lower polys, and MMOs should start making use of ligthing as well!

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RE: The Agency (PS3) - WTF??? - Jun 12, 2007 06:00
Reading about it....all i could think of was The Matrix Online

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RE: The Agency (PS3) - WTF??? - Jun 12, 2007 08:04
Better than whatever this is going to become. I' d rather see some more focus on PS HOME.

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RE: The Agency (PS3) - WTF??? - Jun 12, 2007 14:00
When i first saw it i thought it was a rip off of crackdown

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RE: The Agency (PS3) - WTF??? - Jun 12, 2007 15:23
Hmmm. I see they' re using exactly the same engine they used for Everquest 2 - a game that is 3 years old.

edit:

Notice the almost faces are almost exactly the same:



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RE: The Agency (PS3) - WTF??? - Jun 12, 2007 23:38

Hmmm. I see they' re using exactly the same engine they used for Everquest 2 - a game that is 3 years old.


This game uses Unreal Engine 3, the same engine as Gears of War.
You will not see GoW-graphics in The Agency tough, since this is a MMO, and naturally a MMO won' t be restricting their action to a 4-player game.
If you listen to 11/6 podcast of allgames radio, you' ll get to hear a interview with the developers, and they' ll inform you why they went with this kind of graphics, and more about the ingame gameplay, and many more details about the game.

It sounds really like a very interesting concept, wich I havn' t heard before.
A shooter MMO, genious. :)

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RE: The Agency (PS3) - WTF??? - Jun 13, 2007 00:10


ORIGINAL: KongRudi


Hmmm. I see they' re using exactly the same engine they used for Everquest 2 - a game that is 3 years old.


This game uses Unreal Engine 3, the same engine as Gears of War.
You will not see GoW-graphics in The Agency tough, since this is a MMO, and naturally a MMO won' t be restricting their action to a 4-player game.
If you listen to 11/6 podcast of allgames radio, you' ll get to hear a interview with the developers, and they' ll inform you why they went with this kind of graphics, and more about the ingame gameplay, and many more details about the game.

It sounds really like a very interesting concept, wich I havn' t heard before.
A shooter MMO, genious. :)



Excuses excuses.

Huxley is an MMO. Huxley allows for 100 vs 100 player battles. Huxley runs on UE3.0.

Huxley looks fantastic...

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RE: The Agency (PS3) - WTF??? - Jun 13, 2007 00:18

A shooter MMO, genious.

Sony tried the same formula before a while back, some massively multiplayer sci-fi shooter and it was a resounding failure. I' ll try and find a link.

Edit: No luck with the link, everything resembling MMO + FPS gets me Huxley... which isn' t a bad thing at all. Huxley is going to own this game' s very soul.
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RE: The Agency (PS3) - WTF??? - Jun 13, 2007 00:24


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A shooter MMO, genious.

Sony tried the same formula before a while back, some massively multiplayer sci-fi shooter and it was a resounding failure. I' ll try and find a link.


Planetside.

Was fun for a short while.


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RE: The Agency (PS3) - WTF??? - Jun 13, 2007 00:42
If you got someone who wasn' t playing via the ol' tin-can and baling wire connection.

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RE: The Agency (PS3) - WTF??? - Jun 13, 2007 01:06
You obviously havn' t any clue about what this game is about at all, when you think Planetside is similar. :-/

Go to allgames.com, listen to the 11/6-podcast and get back to me and tell me that a straight up FPS-MMO sounds more interesting than this thing if they implement all those features they mention, wich is not seen in any MMO before. :-/

(I' ve only read the developer interviews on Huxley, I' ll look into it more when I' ve been able to check out the media, it' sw too low bandwith to do that on my thin client at my workplace, to be able to stream).

The planetside-comment allmost makes you sound like the person who tought EQ ran on Unreal Engine.. :)
However, difference between The Agency and Planetside is one of the listener-questions, adressed in the podcast by the developers, btw. :)

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RE: The Agency (PS3) - WTF??? - Jun 13, 2007 01:27
He mentioned Planetside because it was a Sony Online Entertainment developed MMOFPS. Same development team, same genre. Ofcourse it' s fucking relevant.

SOE don' t make good games. They make games that in theory could be fantastic, ...like Planetside, ...but actually end up disappointing.

The Agency sounds promising to some. Not to me, ...but to others. I think it looks and sounds awful, ...but that' s just my opinion. The only MMO i' m looking forward to right now is Huxley, ...a game you haven' t heard of because it' s not on PS3...

I' m sure The Agency will improve over the next few months, but i can' t help get that sickly camp No One Lives Forever/Perfect Dark Zero artstyle out of my mind and PS3 will have enough AAA online shooters by the time this arrives, so it' s only going to get overshadowed by more important games.

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RE: The Agency (PS3) - WTF??? - Jun 13, 2007 04:18

He mentioned Planetside because it was a Sony Online Entertainment developed MMOFPS. Same development team, same genre. Ofcourse it' s ***ing relevant.


Wrong as usual...
Planetside weren' t developed by the same team, half of PS-team has retired, even tough there are some very smart people there.
This new development team, wich develops The Agency, is basically the people wich formed in FireAnt, a new acquisition forming up SOE Seattle division.. :)

Here is the company speach.

Matt Wilson will serve as Executive Producer of SOE-Seattle. Wilson had been with Microsoft for over 10 years, leaving to form FireAnt, Inc. with John Smith, Alex Pfaffe, Craig Link and Ed Fries in order to create cutting-edge massively multiplayer online games. All the members of FireAnt will be joining the new studio full-time, with the exception of Ed Fries, who will serve in an advisory role for SOE-Seattle game design and studio management. The SOE-Seattle team has a diverse history of game development, having worked on titles such as Dungeon Siege, Ultima Online, Wing Commander, Asheron' s Call, and many others.

" As our business grows, so does the need for more diverse titles," said Russell Shanks, chief operations officer, Sony Online Entertainment. " With the core team' s expertise in the video game industry and their passion for making games, we are confident that this new studio will allow us to maintain and expand SOE' s position as one of the world-wide leaders in online gaming."


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RE: The Agency (PS3) - WTF??? - Jun 13, 2007 05:05
Ah y' see, that serves me right for never having paid any attention to any of SOE' s shit games...

But still, it' s by SOE and it' s the same genre as Planetside and Eddie only brought it up in the first place to point out that an MMOFPS wasn' t a unique idea like you seemed to think.

Really, ...it' s genius!

But ho hum, you went on the offense and told him he didn' t have a clue what he was talking about making a fool of yourself in the process.

But hey, it' s ok, no harm done. Somebody has to play the rampant Sony fanboy and look forward to whatever exclusives they come up with, even inhouse developed trash like this, ...and that might as well be you.

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RE: The Agency (PS3) - WTF??? - Jun 13, 2007 07:25
texture baking ftl.
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RE: The Agency (PS3) - WTF??? - Jun 13, 2007 09:53

ORIGINAL: KongRudi


Hmmm. I see they' re using exactly the same engine they used for Everquest 2 - a game that is 3 years old.


This game uses Unreal Engine 3, the same engine as Gears of War.
You will not see GoW-graphics in The Agency tough, since this is a MMO, and naturally a MMO won' t be restricting their action to a 4-player game.
If you listen to 11/6 podcast of allgames radio, you' ll get to hear a interview with the developers, and they' ll inform you why they went with this kind of graphics, and more about the ingame gameplay, and many more details about the game.

It sounds really like a very interesting concept, wich I havn' t heard before.
A shooter MMO, genious. :)



Ah, my bad there. I had no idea this game was running on UE3 - it looks like complete crud for a game on such a robust engine. However, I never said EQ2 runs on UE3. EQ2 runs on its own engine that is probably one of the most inefficient and bug ridden pieces of code ever. I should know, I play EQ2 regularly. SOE' s idea of optimization is " wait until the hardware can brute force all the inefficiencies away" . Don' t get me wrong though. I like playing EQ2 a lot, but SOE can' t optimize an engine for shit.

At first glance this game looked almost exactly the same as EQ2 - hence my comment of using the same engine. The character models are almost verbatim. It has so many similarities that it seems like they just ported all of the assets over to another engine and hoped for the best.

But thanks for calling me out. I' ll do my reading next time.
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RE: The Agency (PS3) - WTF??? - Jun 13, 2007 10:26


Huxley>The Agency

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RE: The Agency (PS3) - WTF??? - Jun 13, 2007 11:17



Huxley>The Agency


>Everything!

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RE: The Agency (PS3) - WTF??? - Jun 13, 2007 15:13
so can I see some proof this uses UE3, it is just too hard to belive something that craptastic could be using UE3, and I' m too lazy to google it.
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RE: The Agency (PS3) - WTF??? - Jun 13, 2007 20:15

this uses UE3, it is just too hard to belive something that craptastic could be using UE3, and I' m too lazy to google it.


http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/AllGamesInteractive/~3/124101271/061107EDIT.mp3

Well unless the developer is lying in this one, you will hear they claim they use UE3.
You can also listen to their reasoning with why they went with Pixar-style graphics instead of more 3D lifelike models and all that, it were mainly because they felt that 3D liflike modeliing would age much faster, and become outdated quicker, wich isn' t good for any MMO wich tries to keep it' s players as long as possible.

You don' t have to struggle with google and words, in the link to the evidence, you just need to load the mp3 in the background, and listen when they speak with the developers. :)

It' s a nice podcast, humourous aswell..


But hey, it' s ok, no harm done. Somebody has to play the rampant Sony fanboy and look forward to whatever exclusives they come up with, even inhouse developed trash like this, ...and that might as well be you.


I' m of a different opinion of SoE that you guys, forinstance I like the multiplayer in Untold Legends alot better than MUA, even tough Activision has made nicer graphics in their game, I felt the gameplay were much worse, and the friend I usually play coop action hack' n slash felt it the same way.

My rabid fanboy-problem I get when discussing here, isn' t that you don' t like the screenshots/trailer of the game.
The things I react negatively about is when you make statements about this game wich is wrong, and when I correct it and link to a source when correcting you guys, you don' t bother to check out the source.
You just make new statements wich also is wrong, and it' s even taken up in the source I linked to earlier. :)
And when I mention that I get to become the raving fanboy, and it' s a hopeless situation discussing with someone wich is ONLY interested in pointing out negatives and flaws, and ignore everything positive they' r beeing told about the games. :)

I allready play a MMO for over two years now (CoV/CoH) wich I like, and weren' t really interested in this game at all.
And would probably reamin the same way if all I had seen were the screens and trailer.

But I listened to the podcast originally were the journalists said they' d been impressed about what they' ve seen.
And I also listened to the podcast where the developers visited and talked about the game.
And those two things made me alot more interested in this game, since I feel it could bring me alot of new stuff to the table, to me wich is a MMO-player.
I don' t think it' s going to revolutinize the MMO buisness, and I certainly don' t think WoW is going to be closed down due to lack of players after this game gets released.
However alot of cool features were mentioned; i.e. if I want to do stealth part, or healing part in my team, instead of beeing the brute force, I will no longer have to change to another characther wich specialises in that, and bring it up to the same level. I can just switch to a different outfit, wich got different abilities.

And I also liked the sound of how they tried to implement PvP when several lower people fought against a high-level person, of a different faction..
I really hope they' ll manage it.

I hope it will be great. :)

Anyway, I also find it kind of ironic that the more I read about Huxley, the more it sounds like Planetside with updated graphics. :P

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RE: The Agency (PS3) - WTF??? - Jun 13, 2007 20:40


ORIGINAL: KongRudi


But hey, it' s ok, no harm done. Somebody has to play the rampant Sony fanboy and look forward to whatever exclusives they come up with, even inhouse developed trash like this, ...and that might as well be you.


I' m of a different opinion of SoE that you guys, forinstance I like the multiplayer in Untold Legends alot better than MUA, even tough Activision has made nicer graphics in their game, I felt the gameplay were much worse, and the friend I usually play coop action hack' n slash felt it the same way.


Untold Legends on PSP is pretty good, but the PS3 version is very disappointing. It has some nice ideas, and some parts look good but it' s too generic and too bland for my tastes.


ORIGINAL: KongRudi

My rabid fanboy-problem I get when discussing here, isn' t that you don' t like the screenshots/trailer of the game.
The things I react negatively about is when you make statements about this game wich is wrong, and when I correct it and link to a source when correcting you guys, you don' t bother to check out the source.
You just make new statements wich also is wrong, and it' s even taken up in the source I linked to earlier. :)


No, you took Eddies comment about Planetside completely out of context, ...as if he was comparing the Agency to it. He was merely pointing out that SoE have tried a MMOFPS before because you has said an MMOFPS was " genius" , ...like it was some new genre that SoE had just created for The Agency.



ORIGINAL: KongRudi

But I listened to the podcast originally were the journalists said they' d been impressed about what they' ve seen.
And I also listened to the podcast where the developers visited and talked about the game.
And those two things made me alot more interested in this game, since I feel it could bring me alot of new stuff to the table, to me wich is a MMO-player.
I don' t think it' s going to revolutinize the MMO buisness, and I certainly don' t think WoW is going to be closed down due to lack of players after this game gets released.
However alot of cool features were mentioned; i.e. if I want to do stealth part, or healing part in my team, instead of beeing the brute force, I will no longer have to change to another characther wich specialises in that, and bring it up to the same level. I can just switch to a different outfit, wich got different abilities.


Like i said, parts sound intriguing, ...but like i said, SoE have never really impressed me so why would i have any faith in them?

Coming up with nice sounding ideas is one thing, but having the skills and experience to implement them properly is another. As far as i' m concerned SoE have made messes of their previous games and are setting themselves up to fail with The Agency.

The team may say they went for a Pixar-esque visual style, but to me it sounds very much like an excuse. Hell, Team Fortress 2 uses s similar style on a much older and less advanced engine and yet it looks far nicer than this game. A game with this kind of visual style, running on UE3.0 could look magnificent. Unfortunately this looks like ass, and it being a MMO is no excuse for it' s sub-par graphics, especially given that Huxley is running on the same engine and yet looks far superior. And that' s as far as the Huxley comparison goes, so try not to read too much into it...

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RE: The Agency (PS3) - WTF??? - Jun 14, 2007 02:51

Hell, Team Fortress 2 uses s similar style on a much older and less advanced engine and yet it looks far nicer than this game


Source Engine isn' t that far behind UE3, atleast HalfLife 2 and Portal didn' t look much worse comared to their UE-counterparts. :-/
So I don' t see the reason why Valve should be messing up so terrible with Team Fortress 2, however I don' t think the end result of TF2, did look any better from what I' ve seen in The Agency.

We can judge the art-style:

http://media.pc.ign.com/media/011/011640/img_4459088.aspx
http://media.ps3.ign.com/media/848/848445/img_4607600.aspx

Will be easier to judge when we' ve seen more gameplay from both games tough..

Anyway, atleast Valve weren' t stuck with Bink, or similar engine wich is what SoE usually used, during last gen.. :P
We' ll see.

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RE: The Agency (PS3) - WTF??? - Jun 14, 2007 03:15

You can also listen to their reasoning with why they went with Pixar-style graphics instead of more 3D lifelike models and all that, it were mainly because they felt that 3D liflike modeliing would age much faster, and become outdated quicker, wich isn' t good for any MMO wich tries to keep it' s players as long as possible.

Team Fortress 2 looks twice as good as The Agency & it uses a cartoony style. And in the end, I' m not even looking at whether it' s cartoony or not, because stylistically games like The Agency, TF2 and Crackdown don' t do anything for me, but I recognise their merit when I see Crackdown' s massive explosions and the huge skylines in that title. I' d comment on the other games, but I' ve never played either of them. The Agency doesn' t look cartoony, it looks plasticky, ala PDZ.[:' (]

Oh, and as for my previous comment about Planetside? Planetside was a FPS MMO, and it failed. This is a FPS MMO coming from the same house that gave us Planetside, and I' m betting money it will fail too. Sure there' s going to be some merit in it, but set alongside other MMOs like Warhawk, and hell, even Playstation Home, which are of a totally different caliber, it' s going to be quite rough to squeeze in another mediocre game.

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RE: The Agency (PS3) - WTF??? - Jun 14, 2007 16:00


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Source Engine isn' t that far behind UE3, atleast HalfLife 2 and Portal didn' t look much worse comared to their UE-counterparts. :-/




Uh, they aren' t even close. UE3' s lighting blows the shit out of Source' s. UE3 also supports way, way more advanced shaders than Source. The HDR in source is craptastic and the dynamic lighting is a joke. HL2' s graphics are comparable with UT2004.
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RE: The Agency (PS3) - WTF??? - Jun 15, 2007 12:29
Why The Agency is getting so much shit on a conceptual level is beyond me. One thing these critics have right, though, is that in terms of previous game quality SOE games suck some shit out of a bum' s asshole and eat it. They fucked up Everquest, Star Wars as a MMORPG, Everquest 2, Planetside, Sovereign (which was the coolest fucking idea for a game known to man), including each and every one of their expansions plus their crappy little internet download games. They will fuck up their Marvel license, they will fuck up Vanguard, they will fuck up future Everquests and expansions and games. SOE lives to fuck everything it touches. SOE fucks so much so hard that Paris Hilton deserves to be sainted in comparison. Also, Microtransactions, SOE loves microtransactions, and this is after you pay a monthly fee. Fuck SOE. Also, Fuck any notion of Huxley somehow being awarded more respect than SOE' s upcoming fuckups.

But really, it' s not like Webzen has proven itself, or that the developers of Huxley have proven themselves. From what I' ve read of Huxley it' s nothing special and, like Planetside, doesn' t offer enough to distinguish it from other FPS. In otherwords, why pay a bum fee for something you can get elsewhere for free and better? As always, I' ll reserve judgement until the final package comes out, but I' m not expecting much, and frankly, if the Agency wasn' t controlled by batshit ridiculous SOE it would get far more attention and hope from me than Huxley.

Also, the attack on the graphics is lame. The art style is fine and suits the theme. If you find stuff like that disgusting, then it only means you are incapable of digesting other forms of graphics and are limited in enjoyment. I pity those people.

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RE: The Agency (PS3) - WTF??? - Jun 15, 2007 12:35

They ***ed up Everquest, Star Wars as a MMORPG, Everquest 2, Planetside, Sovereign (which was the coolest ***ing idea for a game known to man), including each and every one of their expansions plus their crappy little internet download games. They will *** up their Marvel license, they will *** up Vanguard, they will *** up future Everquests and expansions and games. SOE lives to *** everything it touches. SOE ***s so much so hard that Paris Hilton deserves to be sainted in comparison. Also, Microtransactions, SOE loves microtransactions, and this is after you pay a monthly fee. *** SOE. Also, *** any notion of Huxley somehow being awarded more respect than SOE' s upcoming *** ups


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RE: The Agency (PS3) - WTF??? - Jun 15, 2007 15:28
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RE: The Agency (PS3) - WTF??? - Jun 15, 2007 16:17


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Nitro update ur CyberNation we' re going to genocide pirates soon ~1 week.
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RE: The Agency (PS3) - WTF??? - Jun 15, 2007 23:20
No,



Duke.