360 in trouble due to disc space?

I have been reading some articles, and watching a few videos here and there, and this has caught my attention.

You all know that this was first brought up by the fine folks at Rockstar games, and most recently regarding MGS4. Now what do you all think, in the near future can you see devs moving more toward developing for PS3 or will things stay the same with pretty much everything going multiplatform?



When you are thinking about this, please don' t just say they will always support both consoles because of money. I really want to know what you all think.

I wouldn' t say the 360 is in trouble. Infact I would argue that with Halo 3 on it' s way among many excellent exclusives, Xbox 360 is in a very good position. If the PS3 has one technical advantage over the 360 as a gaming machine it is most certainly the prospect of larger disc space that comes along with BluRay.

However being restricted to DVD9 is hardly the worst thing about the 360. The biggest issue with the console by far is the manufacturing issues that promise that every 360 made will die long before it' s time is due. ***ing $3 Manufacturing job.

I would gladly pay $1000 for an Xbox 360 ELITE that has the same build quality as a PS3. Of course that' s not going to happen. Leave it to Microsoft to create a compelling product but always find some way to *** it up.

No.

Untill we start seeing GB counts on Sony' s AAA exclusive' s we' re just pissing in the breeze.

Can GTA IV be that big of a game that they would have to come out and say that the disc space on a DVD9 hindered Rockstar in some way? I guess we' ll just have to wait and see, but with GTA IV alot of it has to do with all of the cut scenes they have.

Anyway, thanks for you guys' input. I wish more people could see how great this forum is.

I think a far more considerable issue with the 360 and a blunder IMO is the fact that HD' s were not made standard. I know they want to offer " choice" but having HD' s standard opens up a lot for developers as far as patching, faster load times, DLC, etc. Considering how cheap it is to make 20gig HD' s, I really think MS should have made every Xbox360 have one, and then offer the core a bit cheaper with wired controllers etc.

Quite a few developers have mentioned that they would have much preffered for the 360 to have HD' s standard, and you can' t blame them.

Consoles have had bigger issues in the past though, so I don' t see either issues being as big a problem as the GIMP' s lack of everything.

The biggest issue with the console by far is the manufacturing issues that promise that every 360 made will die long before it' s time is due. ***ing $3 Manufacturing job.

I would definitely agree that it should be a problem, but for some reason it isn' t. People continue to buy them, and there isn' t that much hate on the net considering how big a problem it is. I' m amazed every time I think about the fact that MS has managed to have so many faulty consoles and not take much flack for it. Such a thing could easily knock down Sony or Nintendo a few pegs.

Jesus christ,look at ps1.

Sakaguchi himself moved over S-E just because ps1 could make better graphic and was easier to develop for,he didn' t bother that ff9 needed for ex 4 cds.
He left his whole fanbase on Nintendo just for that.

XBox360 is in a very good position.

Even if you break 2 legs from a crab it still runs!
What you gotta do is find its weak spot and do massive damage at it.

Uh... wouldn' t a FF9 on the N64 require like... 50 casettes or something.
PS1 had the advantage of larger storage with CDs.
PS2 had the advantage of larger storage with DVDs.
PS3 has the advantage of larger storage with Blu-ray.

No,they used cd,s because they was easier o mass produce,sure you could use FMW but that wasn' t the reason,the graphic was better and easiter to make on the ps1.

Look at pc games,you tell me what they release games on today,its still cd' s and some dvds.

And look at for ex BD,he used 3-4 cds with previous FF games,he doesnt care about storage,cause he know he can fix it with more cds/dvds.

3 dvd' s are a lot cheaper then 1 blu.ray atm to mass produce.

Even if you break 2 legs from a crab it still runs!
What you gotta do is find its weak spot and do massive damage at it.

That' s what they said about DVD' s gahahahahahaha, the dark side grows stronger every day. Soon Blu-ray will rule the world along with PS3 gahahahaha!
And Kutaragi will turn to Gates and say:
" I am your father"
Ahahahahah!

DVD' s were a smart move.
Blu-ray HDDVD not.

DVD made each movie look much better and sound much better compared to VHS even with your standard Normal old grandpa TV.

However with blu-ray you need a HD-TV then a expensive Blu-ray to be able to see sharper movies.

Even if you break 2 legs from a crab it still runs!
What you gotta do is find its weak spot and do massive damage at it.

We' re all getting true-hd tv' s sooner or later. I for one am glad that the PS3 will show quality by then, when the 360 is going to look like shit [:' (]
gahahahaha

I dont think its such a big issue .. I dont mind multi-disk games but quez u gotta admit it , would have been nice if the 360 used hd-dvd for games too ...

Look at ps3 sales,there you have your answere,its good that 360 didn' t take HD-DVD.

Games like Mass effect is on 1 DVD so is Oblivion.
GoW too.

Some people here name certain ps2 games took more then 1 dvd,well FF12 took 1 and was the best looking and one of the longest ps2 games.

Its about devlopers.
And 360 got compression technique that can compress without making something look worse.

people can say,that it would be good with a HD-DVD,but ps3 would have needed a better GPU,XENO is kikcing its ass atm.
Sony should have spent their money on something better then a 7800,256mb card.,

Even if you break 2 legs from a crab it still runs!
What you gotta do is find its weak spot and do massive damage at it.

Just wait till FFXIII is out. If itcomes for the 360 you' ll be sitting there with 10 DVD' s hahahahha loooooooser.
If you' re too poor to buy a PS3 with Blu-ray then you shouldn' t be wasting money on videogames at all. HAHA, get a job!

The PS3 version of Stranglehold gets the game and Hard Boiled the movie all
on one Blu-Ray disk... How convenient.

360 is dead. Believe it.

There are two rules to success:

1. Never tell all you know.

Seeeeeeeee I told you the PS3 is better.

Yeah, since the games themselves don' t need the extra space, lets just stick free HD movies on the disc too. Y' know, pad it out...

ORIGINAL: Nitro

Yeah, since the games themselves don' t need the extra space, lets just stick free HD movies on the disc too. Y' know, pad it out...

Exactly.

There are two rules to success:

1. Never tell all you know.

ORIGINAL: Nitro

Yeah, since the games themselves don' t need the extra space, lets just stick free HD movies on the disc too. Y' know, pad it out...

Just you wait! Today developers re-use textures and stuff for the whole game but with the PS3 and Blu-ray every single object in the game will have it' s own unique textures!!!!
And voice acting in 25 languages, bonus material, hours of developer documentaries in HD, an episode of The Simpsons, and a super-HD BMP pic of Ken Kutaragi kicking Billy G. in the nuts!

Yes,wow amzing tiz,lets see how that work out.
Which games and movies can be put in the same box.

ahum...

Spiderman...

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... Batman?

Seriously it sounds good but it will be only crap games that sell movies,heck the game quality on those games will probably be even less then.


FF13 on more then 2-3 dvd' s would be the crappiest game ever,because then they just use lots of HD in a neon Hi tech world,omg that sux donkey balls,just as much as you suck them Ginjirou.

Even if you break 2 legs from a crab it still runs!
What you gotta do is find its weak spot and do massive damage at it.

ps1 could make better graphic

Erm... no. It was easy to develop for though.

Yeah, since the games themselves don' t need the extra space, lets just stick free HD movies on the disc too. Y' know, pad it out...

Does it cost the same as a game? If so, it' s ay-o-tay with me.

well ik now ps1 was 32 and N64 " 64bit" but most ps1 game was in pair with n64,and s-e even beyond.

Even if you break 2 legs from a crab it still runs!
What you gotta do is find its weak spot and do massive damage at it.

Yes,wow amzing tiz,lets see how that work out.
Which games and movies can be put in the same box.

What' s Swedish for sarcasm?

There are two rules to success:

1. Never tell all you know.

sarkasm

ORIGINAL: Agent Ghost

sarkasm

lmfao.

There are two rules to success:

1. Never tell all you know.

ORIGINAL: ginjirou

ORIGINAL: Nitro

Yeah, since the games themselves don' t need the extra space, lets just stick free HD movies on the disc too. Y' know, pad it out...

Just you wait! Today developers re-use textures and stuff for the whole game but with the PS3 and Blu-ray every single object in the game will have it' s own unique textures!!!!

You' d run into serious problems fitting unique textures for every indivdual gameworld object through the framebuffer. It' s nice in theory but i practice there are limitations and ofcouse the added cost.

Adding Hard Boiled is cool o the one hand, as long as the PS3 version of the game doesn' t fall short in any other area compared to the 360 version, ...but it also adds insult to injury. Sony keep claiming that the additional space is necessary. Not convenient or nice to have, ....but actually necessary. Yet you can fit an entire HD movie on the (25GB) disc along with multiple uncompressed audio tracks.

But yeah, if you have both a 360 and PS3, and both versions of the game are technically identical, the movie is a nice bonus for PS3.

Eventually it will be.

If the Wii was only capable of 480i, it would have to be deinterlace it. - Emotep

Learn to use proper English. - Emotep

I have an American kid failing Geography. - Emotep

You know since many Xbox360 games include an online multi player component, uh why the *** don' t they just put the MP on one disk and single player on the other???

What would be the drawbacks to that?

ORIGINAL: Mass X

You know since many Xbox360 games include an online multi player component, uh why the *** don' t they just put the MP on one disk and single player on the other???

What would be the drawbacks to that?

Inconvenience.

If developers kept this multi-disc mentality we' d be playing X360 and PS3 games that span 15 CDs today, it' s stupid, space needs to be maximized sooner or later, no one will argue that by next gen all console media needs to be high capacity (except for Nintendo, if they pull another Wii), so why wait for it when you can start now.

If the Wii was only capable of 480i, it would have to be deinterlace it. - Emotep

Learn to use proper English. - Emotep

I have an American kid failing Geography. - Emotep

How could it be inconvenient to swap between playing single player and multi-player? They tend to be practically different games entirely anyways. So technically it' d be no different then swapping out one disc to play something else. People tend to focus more on one or the other anyways.

I do agree splitting the single-player would be a bit more inconvenient. And yes of course next gen will pretty much be a no brainer.

It would just be awkward for lazy people to have to stand up and walk over to the disk tray and put the game in.


...Didnt M$ say something like, if DVD' s started to fail that they could make a blue ray drive for the 360? Or am i thinking things?

They keep coming out with the line that they are fully behind HDDVD and will continue to support it, but ultimately they are in business to make money, so if HDDVD goes belly-up they will move to Blu-ray.

ORIGINAL: Mass X

You know since many Xbox360 games include an online multi player component, uh why the *** don' t they just put the MP on one disk and single player on the other???

What would be the drawbacks to that?

Actually, if you look at GRAW/2 and their multiplayer modes, ...they not only use a completely different engine but also different texture sets, sounds, models etc. Moving the online part of the game to a 2nd disc would free up a large amount of space.

If disc space does start to become an issue then i expect that this is something that will be considered.

Those extra GB' s might not be necessary all the time, but they' re not doing any harm. And I' m sure that with time people will come up with really cool things to do with that extra space.

To put things simple:
You can never have too much disk space.
Only too little.

What' s Swedish for sarcasm?

Did you see my guns over XBL?
Don' t joke with me again :P

Even if you break 2 legs from a crab it still runs!
What you gotta do is find its weak spot and do massive damage at it.

Those extra GB' s might not be necessary all the time, but they' re not doing any harm. And I' m sure that with time people will come up with really cool things to do with that extra space.

To put things simple:
You can never have too much disk space.
Only too little.

Yeah I agree,but people sound like xbox360 gonna need 3-4 dvd' s per future game.
While Mass effect and oblivion is on 1 dvd9.
I mean,its not like games will be double in size and look twice as good,come on.

2 dvd' s might be in the future for some truly epic games with non CGI,but more then 2?
Get real.

Even if you break 2 legs from a crab it still runs!
What you gotta do is find its weak spot and do massive damage at it.

I don' t think the PS3' s Blu-ray makes the 360 any less as a gaming console, but it' s a nice feature that adds those little extra " ohhh' s" and " aahhh' s" we all love.

360 is teh doomed

Change is inevitable. Except from a vending machine.

Viva La Revolution! erm, I mean Viva La Wii!