Kikizo' s Halo 3 Beta article: weak.

Well, first of all, I guess, nice try, Adam. But why write the article when by your own admission you' re not even of average skill at the game?

Secondly, I' m getting sick of crap like this (and I' m used to it from a fair number of tankheaded users of this forum, but from someone who fancies himself a journalist?):

But some existing weapons have been enhanced since Halo 2; the Needler for example, while still looking gay, is more powerful and might actually kill people this time around.

Using a descriptive term of a segment of the population as a disparaging term is unprofessional at best. To use the term ' gay' as meaning ' lame,' ' stupid,' etc. isn' t something anyone should do, much less someone who writes for a living.

Naturally I realize I' ll get flamed for bringing this up, and the flaming generally will be comprised of bad grammar and misspelled words, as well as accusations of being gay (which I' m not but I' m confident enough in my own identity not to disparage someone else' s), but I' m not afraid to speak out against screw-ups and in this choice of words you damaged your credibility as a professional and Kikizo' s reputation as a legitimate news site.

Actually I appreciate far more an article written by someone who considers themselves to be of average skill - it is going to far more reflect the experience I get when I play it. Looking at most other web-sites " implied as exclusive" hands on time, Kikizo' s coverage appears to be not significantly different from anyone elses.

Maybe he was using the term gay to reflect that the needler was happy or cheerful-looking - which was the meaning of the word before it was usurped by the homosexual community. I' m not sure if either of your comparator words would work either as they could offend those with learning or ambulatory difficulties. I guess we either talk to each other in such wishy-washy PC ways, or we accept that people use words to certain effect without meaning to imply any prejudicial intent.

I' m not flaming Zoy, I understand your opinion and we probably should all check to see we are not going overboard with terms which some people might deem as derogatory.

The article is " weak" because he used the word " Gay" to describe something?

Um, it' s probably a cultural thing.

the word gay doesnt offend me, and i dont think it offends 99% of the gay community either! Since they are after all gay! Its look no its not right to call a black person black, they are africans something, you cant call a janitor a janitor they have to be called something fancy as well! Silly

Zoy, I agree with what you are saying, however it is endemic of today' " Yoof" culture that uses words out of context. The word " gay" means what? Anybody....No, it is another term for being " carefree" , " happy" , or " bright and showy" , well originally it was anyway, it is used in many old time musical songs, and I am sure they were not using it as a Homosexual reference.

The fact that Adam has freely admitted that he is of average skill in a game is refreshing in my view, purely becuase it doesn' t come across as an elitist' s opinion of the game, I wish more articles both electronic and printed were as honest.

The Needler wasn' t gay, it was retarded!

I only used it if there was nothing about at the time. Although it was almost as bad as the plasma pistol.

sometimes a pair of needlers were fun to hack around with, as you could get a huge number of needles onto even the best player.

OMG maybe those in the other thread were right?! Gays are taking over!!! 2 articles in 2 different forum sections in the same day...omg I used the word " same" thats a reference to gay isnt it now? And even a news article with gayness in it! Ahhhhg the rectal breach is upon us, repent repeeeent!!!!

" Gay" is the new " nigga" ya know? Tho used differently. Whereas as nigga was comradery(" Whaddup mah nigga" ), gay is used to explain somthing that is rather lame. Im quite sure the gay community hate it being used in such a way but hell it wasnt their word first anyways. But words will continue to evolve and meaning will change. Soon gays will be come banannas and white people will be termed as dixie cups and native americans will soon be phrased as " extinct" ...

I love being a mutt. I can be racist against everybody and when people say shutup Ill just say " Well if you cant laugh at yourself..."

Please kikizo,don' t use words such as " gay" its very offending,Im tired of cleaning up this site and remind people of using " properly" language.

Even if you break 2 legs from a crab it still runs!
What you gotta do is find its weak spot and do massive damage at it.

We all know the entire Kikizo staff is gay so I think it' s okay for them to use that word.

Strike me down, Adam described a weapon in Halo as Gay

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Strike me down, Adam described a weapon in Halo as Gay

Wow, so that puts it on an exclusive list of 2 things on Kikizo considered gay, the other one being you.

Anyway, now that I got the required flame out of the way....

Zoy, I understand what youre saying, but with todays culture, especially America, anything not liked is refered to as gay. Im not sure if youre American, as many of our forum members arent, so if you are I apologize for explaining something you already know.

But yes, gay is not a term that should be used by a site in a preview. It does come across as a bit childish.

I dont want to celebrate, I want to sell you hate.

Zoy is American.

But if you look, Adam, myself and f3 are all from the UK and we don' t see the problem.

Theres nothing wrong with this part of the article, Adam was just using the word gay as a reference of disliking... although many wouldnt expect a well liked journalist to awkwardly use the term gay in an article to express disliking. Perhaps something like the ugly/un-liked/quirky needler would have seemed a little bit more mature.

I' ve got no problem with using terms like gay or the like in discussions with friends but i wouldn' t use them in conversation with people I didn' t know, however I think we all understood Adam was using it to describe the needler as a bit useless rather than being offensive.

Perhaps we should all vote on (street/cultural mildly abusive) words we are happy to see so we know where we all stand?

Wow, so that puts it on an exclusive list of 2 things on Kikizo considered gay, the other one being you

That was ment to sound camp

Also, i love pussy Way too much for anyone to considering me as ' Gay' , maybe you fancy me?

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But if you look, Adam, myself and f3 are all from the UK and we don' t see the problem.

Yeah, originally, in the english dictionary Gay ment ' Happy' .. Until it got twisted.. Abit like how you Americans class ' sociology' as a religion, where the english are having none of it and keep it' s proper term: A cult.

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That was ment to sound camp

Also, i love pussy Way too much for anyone to considering me as ' Gay' , maybe you fancy me?

Well, my point is just that people have a right to choose what they call themselves, and also to not have other people use that name as an insult, because the association of the meanings does stem from disdain and, in extreme cases, hate. For people who say that one use of the word has nothing to do with the other, that' s a disconnected and disrespectful attitude that you choose to take.

I' m straight but I happen to have a lot of colleagues and friends who are gay and lesbian in the music and animation work I do and I know it bothers them, and it just makes people who say it that way sound really ignorant and childish. I' m sure all of you have friends, family members and acquaintances who are gay too, and if you think you don' t, it' s only because they don' t trust you or respect you enough for you to know. And don' t flatter yourself into thinking that every gay person would immediately want to hit on you, either.

So all in all, it' s not a matter of me trying to be " PC" but I think people should have a baseline of respect that we treat each other with and a big part of that is how we choose to use words. I appreciate you all discussing this even if we disagree. I' ve said all I' m going to say about it unless Adam steps up and responds to my complaint about his lack of professionalism in this instance.

He wasnt using the term in a derogatory manner, only in a descriptive sense. Saying something is a bit gay is not always expressing a dislike for something - unless you are casting dispersions to the authors own preferences! It could just as easily be a compliment - running around with a big pink weapon, which fires bright pink needles that could be described as " pricking" the intended victim - is only a reference to homosexuality if you are predisposed to such bias. I' m from the UK to and do not in any way think that this was a reference to the item in question in such a way. He was simply using the word in a crossover to its more classic sense meaning bright / fun / kitsch etc..

Towards the end of the first page he actually says he will stop " bitching" which can also be taken the wrong way to certain people. Perhaps this is all just par for the course with this demographic of reader?

Garden gnomes are pretty gay too, but that doesn' t mean they are are homosexual or that I am a homophobe - it also isnt " weak" , it probably takes guts to put your neck on the line these days in this way. I guess if anything I am anti-over-the-top-PC and in my day to day job I deal with all sorts of people from all sorts of backgrounds with all sorts of preferences.

If anything I found the recent articles in Edge / MCV regarding the " Gay" games market as a " holy grail" to be far more offensive.

The world has actually gone crazy.

OK, I accept it is puerile and unprofessional to use this word in an article on the site. For what it' s worth Alex (the Editor) cleaned up the article before it went out to the people we supply content to. I guess sometimes the excitement of writing about a game that' s hot makes me write like I would talk to someone down at the pub or get carried away with colloquialisms. My theory was people would appreciate the intimacy of the opinion and/or the diction used but I will happily admit it' s not what I should have done. In the past we' ve employed very strict writing guidelines but done away with most in favour of a more direct and blatant voice to talk to the audience which clearly works better usually, but I suppose we should still follow some rules no matter how tedious. By the way I never claimed to be a " journalist" .

Now, does anyone have any opinions about HALO 3 itself or disagree with what I said about the game? Please let me know what you think about the Beta.

One more day and Im quite sure this forum will be full of things to say about the BETA. As it gone up yet for anyone? I should pop in Crackdown right now to see whats happeng as its 1am wednesday here now.

I didn' t want to start a new thread for this but Halo 3 is set for Sept. 25th (26th for Europe) for release. I don' t know if this is old news or not but that' s sooner than I expected.

http://onthexbox.com/news1047.aspx

Thank you for your honesty Adam, I appreciate it is sometimes difficult to write an article that is aimed primarily to people of like interests but of differing backgrounds and opinions. I think most people took the wording in the manner it was intended.

So going back to the original thread, I liked the opinion of someone who freely admits they are not some sort of ubergamer at Halo. Personally I am not interested in Halo 3 multiplayer; Halo 2 was full of campers, griefers and generally lots of other unpleasant people - Halo 3 in this respect will be more of the same. I am far more interested in waiting for information in how the single player/co-op campaign looks, so am waiting patiently for when (if) you can show us some of that.

Adam i' m getting the beta today in 2.5 hours I tell you then,and please Adam try to follow my way of behaving on the site,have you ever seen me insulted anyone? or writing with harsh language towards some member?

Sure I told someone here to suck a dick,and called them a faggot etc. but never EVER WOULD I USE THE WORD " GAY" .

Even if you break 2 legs from a crab it still runs!
What you gotta do is find its weak spot and do massive damage at it.

Teamxbox have just run through all 19 of the weapons in the game. The mounted minigun looks cool, odd how it goes into a over-the-shoulder view with it.

Ok, favourite weapon?

Personally i' m glad that the assault rifle is back, ...it' ll be interesting to see how it holds up against Halo 2' s battle rifle. If i had to choose just one, i' d probably actually go for the plasma rifle.

yes, and how the assault rifle is differentiated from the SMG too, which supposedly replaced it in Halo2.

Am I missing something but wasn' t the ' real' human pistol meant to return as neither that nor the magnum is mentioned?

The plasma rifle was one of my favourites as it offered about the best balance between rate of fire, damage and accuracy. I did like the carbine as well, although more so in SP than MP.

I know it comes out at 1:00pm GMT, but I' m too lazy to convert, so if it' s out yet, who' s played it?

I' ll be getting my copy of Crackdown back tomorrow, so I' ll see y' all online then.