Who likes BUSH?

Funny coming from you.

"If you knew how good I am you would think I'm modest."

Is it true that in the US the 9/11 footage can' t be broadcast anymore because of the peoples " sensitivity" to it?!

I' ve never heard of anything like that.

It' s far more likely that stations just don' t want to show the footage anymore. We' ve seen it enough already.

Europe has it´s flaws like every region where humans habitate but US is worst than europe nowadays.

From what I' ve seen, Mr. Blair has his head pretty far up Dubbya' s ass nowadays.

...well, where there' s profit to be made " off the back' s of the bruised" , the good old British empire will be there...

....even if their empire no longer exists...

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I hate my gov,however it wasnt me who voted them...
Btw im Swedish.

So do I quez... So do I. And I also had nothing to do with it. I think Sweden is getting a lot more like U.S.A, every day and it really bugs me. But still we cannot complain, as long as we have food, a house and nobody running around with AK47' s on the street shooting at anybody/anything in sight and our country doesn' t try to bomb every single other country in the world, who doesn' t like meatballs or smörgårdsbord, then we should try to be happy with what we have.

Who was brainwashed during ww2?
The germans?
How is germany=europe?

Its a country in europe,but doesnt represent us others.

Very true. But also, us europeans (and the citizens of the Uinted States as well ) tend to reffer to America as a country, when they are in fact simply reffering to the U.S of A. It also tends to irritate me a bit, when citizens of the U.S use terms such like " A true American" when they are reffering to themselves (aka ex Europeans), but when I hear somebody say " True American) I can' t help but think of Indians, whom now are but a few, thanks to the cowboys (whom in movies always tend to be the " Good guys" ). Ironically, that is also how they are yet, in present day. Invade other countries and kill, yet they are portrayed as the heroes. It’s funny, but no laughing matter.

Most countries were founded through stealing land.


USA: White guys crush indians, steal land.
Europe: White guys crush other white guys, steal land.

Same shit.

Only difference is that the U.S continues that shit.

Edit:
...But they don' t steal land anymore (it is the new millenium after all), now they steal oil.

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Only difference is that the U.S continues that shit.

Edit:
...But they don' t steal land anymore (it is the new millenium after all), now they steal oil.

Seriously the oil thing is way over done. If we went over there for oil gas prices would have gone down. Anybody that still uses the oil remark is a dumbass.

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" Basically, pollute the air all you want, your just speeding up the inevitable. Our future generations are f*cked as it is and there' s really nothing we can do about it. Have a nice day "

Sorry for being a dumbass, it' s just become somewhat of an automated reflex response by now. And I agree that it can be annoying to hear people bitch about the oil thing, but I bet it' s more annoying for civillian families, whom have lost their loved ones, to hear people calling the U.S their saviour heroes.

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Another funny thing is how a thing, such as the gas price has caused Bush' s popularity to decrease alot more than the war he had started. Makes one wonder about peoples priorities.

But also, us europeans (and the citizens of the Uinted States as well ) tend to reffer to America as a country, when they are in fact simply reffering to the U.S of A. It also tends to irritate me a bit, when citizens of the U.S use terms such like " A true American" when they are reffering to themselves (aka ex Europeans), but when I hear somebody say " True American) I can' t help but think of Indians, whom now are but a few, thanks to the cowboys (whom in movies always tend to be the " Good guys" ).

That' s one of the reasons I don' t celebrate Independence Day. If the colonies weren' t so needy of manpower, then the slave trade never would have gotten so big. If it wasn' t for slave labor, the colonies never would have been profitable enough to even HAVE independence...they would still belong to the various europeans who funded them. Being a decendant of those slaves, I have issues with that holiday.

I laugh everytime I hear someone say the US was founded for freedom. The US was founded because a bunch of rich white guys didn' t want to pay their taxes. The same guys who almost exstinguished an entire RACE of people and called it " manifest destiny" . The only difference between the US and other predatory nations is the rate of success.



But, back on topic, the Bush administration is positively INFESTED with oil tycoons. Hell, Even Condi used to be an oil company exec. Common sense lends at least a tiny bit of credibility to the war for oil theories.

I don' t think it' s as simple as wanting to control the oil. That would be to obvious.
In a nutshell, I think the US and it' s allies purposely do things to keep the Arab countries unstable and divided, and therefore weak.

I think the real threat of Saddam Hussein was that given enough time he would have unified the Arab nations...something the rest of the world finds completely undesirable. Yeah, he was a predatory asshole, but that' s how great nations are created. One charasmatic and greedy nation rises up and conquers the weak surrounding ones.

Somehow all these little Arab countries have become convinced that being a sovereign nation is more important than stability and true strength. If they would join together, it wouldn' t be so easy for these little terrorist communities to influence the populace.

I' m starting to forget what i' m talking about. I' ve been awake 27 hours. I' ll probably have to come back and edit this later.

...keep talking like that, and the internet monitoring section of the CIA will break into your house at 4am, smash all your belongings, arrest you, take all your money, lock you up for years on end without trial and call you a.....






..... " terrorist"

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I laugh everytime I hear someone say the US was founded for freedom. The US was founded because a bunch of rich white guys didn' t want to pay their taxes. The same guys who almost exstinguished an entire RACE of people and called it " manifest destiny" . The only difference between the US and other predatory nations is the rate of success.

Wow, tht sounded like a lot of bullshit. Rich white men were not the cause of it. It' s because Europe was selling the stuff the colonies right back to them for inflated prices. Europe treated the colonies like a sweat shop. Do a little reading before you make outlandish accusations like that.

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" Basically, pollute the air all you want, your just speeding up the inevitable. Our future generations are f*cked as it is and there' s really nothing we can do about it. Have a nice day "

ORIGINAL: Dionysius

Only difference is that the U.S continues that shit.

Edit:
...But they don' t steal land anymore (it is the new millenium after all), now they steal oil.

Any other country in position of " sole" superpower would do worse, the shit the US does is tame compared to other attrocities former superpowers have done.

Actually right now we have a bunch of shitty 3rd world countries already doing stupid shit, imagine if they actually had any power.

when I hear somebody say " True American" I can' t help but think of Indians

" Native Americans" , as they' re called, are not indigenous from the USA either. Everybody on the North American continent came from somewhere. Mostly I believe we all came from Africa. Back then you could walk from there to South America and then up to North America (over a period of hundreds if not thousands of years), build a teepee and call yourselves natives.

Rampage??? I thaught you weren´t in this forum anymore, man

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Wow, tht sounded like a lot of bullshit. Rich white men were not the cause of it. It' s because Europe was selling the stuff the colonies right back to them for inflated prices. Europe treated the colonies like a sweat shop. Do a little reading before you make outlandish accusations like that.

" No taxation without representation"
Sound familiar?

By outlandish prices I guess you mean the duties imposed by the Sugar Act. That was the beginning of the discontent of the colonies, but they didn' t get really upset until the Stamp Act was imposed. That' s what the Sons of Liberty' s main gripe was. They weren' t complaining about the lack of representation in Parliament until England decided the colonies should start paying them direct taxes.

And who is most affected by taxation? Landowners, merchants, builders....the rich white guys of the day.

There were other driving forces behind the revolution, but the MAIN one was unfair taxation.

Or maybe I read a different history than everyone else.

The taxation was on everyday goods (the inflated prices I mentioned) which caused most families to be stuck in near poverty. It wasn' t like all the rich guys came together and decided that the taxes were keeping them from buying a new mansion thing. Even your normal small families were having to pay inflated prices on a freaking bench that they themslves made. Sure the things you mentioned are the most talked about in school but if you actually dive deeper into it you' ll find conditions were horrible for the lower class families that mainly did manual labor.

You can think it was all just rich people but when a craftsman builds a chair and then has it taken by Europe only to be sold back to him at an inflated price with large taxes he' ll probably be angrier than any rich guy that' s getting taxed on stamps.

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" Basically, pollute the air all you want, your just speeding up the inevitable. Our future generations are f*cked as it is and there' s really nothing we can do about it. Have a nice day "

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Rampage??? I thaught you weren´t in this forum anymore, man

I had some problems with life for a while man. I' m back now though. How ya been?

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" Basically, pollute the air all you want, your just speeding up the inevitable. Our future generations are f*cked as it is and there' s really nothing we can do about it. Have a nice day "

Bush never invaded Iraq for the oil,nor did he invade afghanistan to build a fukking oil pipline to iraq as moore claims in his 9/11.

Bush never staged 9/11 either.

However,there is a lot of people who claims dick cheney and rumsfeld use bush as their puppet,to try and fix their own problem by putting Saddam in power in the 80' s.
Btw...

Even if USA stole oil which they havn' t this far,saddam stole from his neighbours,whenever they found oil next to the bolrder,he putted up a drill,much like mr burns did in simpsons,no im not joking.
he also invaded his neighbours for oil.
Oh and yes,Saddam never shared the oil with his people.

So whatever you think about bush...saddam is responsible for over 300.000 killed,and UN should have gone in to IRAQ,not USA;but now USA did.

The problem i have with bush is how he ignored totally UN about not having any sign/proof about mass destruction weapons that bush adminstration claimed Saddam had.

However it' s funny how UN has now proof that IRAN is dev mass destruction weapons,and what are they doing?
Trying to talk with with Iran who doesnt answere or give a shit...
Um...okay...gj UN.

Even if you break 2 legs from a crab it still runs!
What you gotta do is find its weak spot and do massive damage at it.

the reason we are just talking with Iran know is because everyone thought we jumped the gun with Iraq. Now we' re doing it the way everyone said we should have handled Iraq. Now people are bitchin we aren' t hard enough with Iran. Imo people are just complaining to complain. No matter what the administration does at this point they will be critisized.

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" Basically, pollute the air all you want, your just speeding up the inevitable. Our future generations are f*cked as it is and there' s really nothing we can do about it. Have a nice day "

Think of it this way 50% hate and 50% like it. In theory the side that complains seems to be the loudest but with 50/50 split no mater what side gets what they want the other is gonna be more vocal in the matter.

You know what Im saying...cause I barly do. I hate politics...

I' ve been well, dude. Drinking too much, but it' s allright.

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Think of it this way 50% hate and 50% like it. In theory the side that complains seems to be the loudest but with 50/50 split no mater what side gets what they want the other is gonna be more vocal in the matter.

You know what Im saying...cause I barly do. I hate politics...

It doesn' t help that the media is liberal biased other than radio and Fox News (the latter being a little too conservative...). The news we get here in the US is complete garabage and anything but the truth.

I' ve been well, dude. Drinking too much, but it' s allright.

Glad you' re doing alright man. What' s caused the intake of alcohol?

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" Basically, pollute the air all you want, your just speeding up the inevitable. Our future generations are f*cked as it is and there' s really nothing we can do about it. Have a nice day "

The news we get here in the US is complete garabage and anything but the truth.

I guess this is what you´re talking about...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSsMcg1ZBGE

I have both CNN and Fox news.
Its very suprising that people call fox news right wing channel,and then put ther head in the sand and pretend that CNN is fair and balance,which its clearly isnt is a left wing channel.
Im a liberal tbh,but far left wing opinions scares me,and a lot of that is being driven by the democrats,ofc im a swede though...

Even if you break 2 legs from a crab it still runs!
What you gotta do is find its weak spot and do massive damage at it.

I personally watch Fox News off and on because I get tired of everything else on TV being so slanted to the left. I' m a Conservative Republican and I' m even admitting that Fox News takes a few liberties witht thier stuff. Sadly it' s basically the on;y station I can find that isn' t critisizing everything about the Republican party. I started listening to NPR and such on the radio trying to get more info without the flash and glamour of the TV and it' s a bit better.

I dunno. I' m just sick of the media period. It' s pretty bad when news coverage becomes so biased and dramatic that it turns into something unwatchable. Quez, I definately agree with you on the CNN thing. They are definately Liberal.

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" Basically, pollute the air all you want, your just speeding up the inevitable. Our future generations are f*cked as it is and there' s really nothing we can do about it. Have a nice day "

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The news we get here in the US is complete garabage and anything but the truth.

I guess this is what you´re talking about...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSsMcg1ZBGE

Ha... I hate the Daily Show. It was decent until Colbert left. Now that Colbert has his own shown I watch that more than anything on TV. Colbert is the f-ing man!

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" Basically, pollute the air all you want, your just speeding up the inevitable. Our future generations are f*cked as it is and there' s really nothing we can do about it. Have a nice day "

It should be noted that Swedish liberals are a bit more to the right then Democrats,heck even swedish liberal poarty folkpartiet wanted to send trops to afghanistan and iraq and join the coalition.

I also think left wing agendas work a bit better in europe thanks to you been a nation for over 1000 years,or atleast share same heritage/people.
So you feel more okay by paying more taxes,while in USA its more like a big dump of people all around the world.
And thats why people want to cut taxes big time.

Even if you break 2 legs from a crab it still runs!
What you gotta do is find its weak spot and do massive damage at it.

The problem with daily show is that Jon stewart claims its all about humor,but its clearly shown which parties he make fun off and doesnt,or invite. or attack or defend.

Also when he showed the most threat to gaming in USA,he only showed republicans,while hilary is the nr1 aka democrat.
But ofc he refuse to show their comments.

His show is only funny if you have same poltical agenda as him.

Even if you break 2 legs from a crab it still runs!
What you gotta do is find its weak spot and do massive damage at it.

The media usually expose the ruling parties in their coverages since that generates more viewers.
No one wants to know shit about the party that' s sitting on the bench.
That' s why people always accuse news channels and such to be left or right winged.
Of course, most news papers and news channels are openly supoprting some kind of political side but that' s mostly the owners. Usually the reporters are able to be pretty moderate with their coverages.
It' s also a question of who' s doing the coverage too. Journalists also have political opinions so one day the right-winged Mr. A does a report on how bad the left-wing is and the next day Mr. B does a report on how bad the right-wing is.
Fox News though, is and will always be right-winged. But the channel is so right-winged that I don' t know if it does the republicans more good than bad...

There was actually a scientific study done to show certain media' s political balance using the same thing they use to judge candidate' s balance. I can' t find it and don' t remember the name of it but fox news was only slightly to the right while the other TV news stations were significantly left. So really fox news is the most fair and balanced but it isn' t perfectly fair and balanced either. They also did news web sites and others.
I don' t watch the news on TV, I get all of mine of the internet anyways.

"If you knew how good I am you would think I'm modest."

The question is where you believe the centre is.
That' s the real problem.

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There was actually a scientific study done to show certain media' s political balance using the same thing they use to judge candidate' s balance. I can' t find it and don' t remember the name of it but fox news was only slightly to the right while the other TV news stations were significantly left. So really fox news is the most fair and balanced but it isn' t perfectly fair and balanced either. They also did news web sites and others.
I don' t watch the news on TV, I get all of mine of the internet anyways.

I agree with that. Imo, fox News does come closest to being balanced, they just have a problem with their delivery of it. Yelling at guests doesn' t make you very credible even if you are correct with your statements. Fox News is a really flashy station. They go for a high level of entertainment with their stuff.

For the other stations that are liberal they come across as more professional and such but still want to push their political views. They put on a good act but their agenda is quite clear.

For the most part I just browse all stations and see what they have to say about a subject and I form my own conclusion.

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" Basically, pollute the air all you want, your just speeding up the inevitable. Our future generations are f*cked as it is and there' s really nothing we can do about it. Have a nice day "

Theres this one channel on DSL I got up at my cabin that displays 8 different news stations at one...

I figure if I place headphones on while I sleep and listen to it to all them like thatr I will either one be the most well informed unbiased individual in existance or 2 go completly apeshit insane!

The question is where you believe the centre is.
That' s the real problem.

I don' t remember the name of the thing, but there is a test you can take that shows how liberal or conservative you are and they basically used that test with the news stations. This test is widely used. So if you compare it to American politics it works for the center. The center for America isn' t the same as other countries of course.

"If you knew how good I am you would think I'm modest."

Well, nothing serious. I just like it hangin out with friends(& chicks) on a party, and...

Hell, you just can´t go 2 a party without 2 drink a lot

.....left, right, centre, liberal, extremist.... ....it don' t mean nothing at the end of the day because if ure smart enough, you can make any atrocity seem like an act of good will and vice versa....

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Well, nothing serious. I just like it hangin out with friends(& chicks) on a party, and...

Hell, you just can´t go 2 a party without 2 drink a lot

Heh, I wouldn' t know. I don' t drink Glad to hear you' re having fun though.

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" Basically, pollute the air all you want, your just speeding up the inevitable. Our future generations are f*cked as it is and there' s really nothing we can do about it. Have a nice day "

So what r u doing in your life?

Well at the moment I' m trying to get a job. The two I' m looking into are a yacht washing job or a job where I find openings at videogame companies. Both pay over $12 an hour which is a lot better than my last job. I' m also getting pretty deep into school. I' m working on two games at the moment. One is for a class and the other is an outside project my friends and I are taking to GDC. I' ve been busy as hell.

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" Basically, pollute the air all you want, your just speeding up the inevitable. Our future generations are f*cked as it is and there' s really nothing we can do about it. Have a nice day "