I think we can safely say this forum is dead. The question now is...

...what to do about it.

I've seen a number of other sites whose community quality has improved via Facebook and Twitter, who have closed down their existing forums as a result of them becoming redundant.

Our forum - once great, and which almost always managed to avoid the shit slinging of so many others - has for at least 6 months been almost completely dead. And, (i) despite the technical enhancements to the forum over the last couple of years; (ii) despite the relaunch and renaming of the main site and other site expansions in October last year; (iii), perhaps, reflecting our own development of a Facebook and Twitter presence); and (iv) perhaps also because all our sites have full commenting enabled since the major relaunch, this forum is now simply an archive of six years of user topics -- and no longer an active forum for discussion... about anything.

Right now I can't think of many ways to try and engage existing, old-timer users and definitely can't think how to engage new users in the forum, in a manner that makes any commercial sense.

So I guess this message is a last ditch effort to see if there are any lurkers here who may have some thoughts on this matter.

While it makes sense to keep all the archived content in place, since it's all indexed on Google and that creates page impressions for us by people searching for content of relevance, if there's no compelling reason to keep the forum active on an ongoing basis I think it would make more sense to shut down registration and the ability to post new messages, keep the archives in place but redirect the forum landing pages to our Facebook page instead.

It would be a shame, considering how the forum was in its heyday, and considering some of the blood, sweat and tears that went into developing/integrating the forum... (in hindsight we should probably have opted for a PHP solution rather than this ASP alternative but that's a whole other story). But having a dead forum looks pretty bad and it could be more logical to direct interested users to a separate medium that engages them more effectively -- even it we don't get to display advertising on the pages where that happens! On the other hand, maybe we should wait it out as our new sites continue to grow in popularity and maybe this place will begin to attract new community once again. Maybe we should do a combination of both these things. I don't know.

Let me know what you guys think.

If you didn't know, our FB is at http://facebook.com/kikizo and our Twitter's at http://twitter.com/kikizo

Cheers
Adam

The problem with Facebook is that my Live Feed (screw News Feed) is already crowded enough as it is with updates and I only have maybe 80 or so friends.  It takes a while to scroll through.  Any groups that I have joined or became a fan of I only really ever visit once.  I never bother to check up.  Even if I did, old posts sink no matter how many people are responding to them so a casual browser would not see a hot topic being discussed.  I enjoy Kikizo, but I likely won't become a fan of the Facebook page.  I don't even bother with Twitter because all of the hashes (@ # and whathaveyou) piss me off, making the posts look like strings of code.  Plus Facebook does pretty much everything Twitter does, only better.

As for the forum, I have no solutions to offer.  Not every video game news site absolutely needs a forum.  The problem is the community itself.  If the community is interesting, then the discussion will be interesting and the forum will be active and alive.  Many members here just don't have much interesting to say and those that do don't post much because there aren't many interesting people to discuss things with.  Also, there has been no control of spam at Kikizo.  There needs to be a way to block them from even registering.  We use vBulletin software at Magicbox and Sega-16 and I have a Q&A that must be answered correctly to allow registration.  Then after that the new member needs Admin approval before posts can be made.  Any spam posts are deleted along with the member who is permanently banned (instead of deleted so the IP address is retained in case it tries to re-register under a different name).

Yeah we changed the sign up process a couple of months ago to be exactly the way you recommended there, and cleaned up all the spam... yet somehow it felt less lonely when the bots were here!
 
I agree with your comments. Maybe one option would be to merge with another community perhaps similar to MB, then the forum would have a purpose.

You did?  Now I need to re-register just to see that!  :)

EDIT:  Nice!

Maybe post something controversial on the site.  Shenmue sure brings in a lot of traffic!  :)

Well, I did tell the internet last week that Need for Speed World Online would define 2010. And this week I wrote an article from the perspective of somebody whose life had been wrecked by Project Natal.

Let's do Shenmue 4 next.

Incidentally Joe is this you?

www.joeredifer.com/

Of course it is!

Thats great Joe.  Did you really take those pictures or did you just steal them from Sega and Sony?

As for here.....  I think everything would get much better if we could just get Quez back.

***flyingsaucersdisguisedasmushrooms***
***mushroomsinvadingfromouterspace***

The pics are mine.

-Give Liam a permanent job so he has a reason to linger in the forums.
-Have your editors start threads about the latest gaming news.
-If that works, bring back the games givaway, but do it on time.

"This is sad. There's no other word for it. The person who invents a way to punch someone in the face over the Internet will make millions from the demand generated by people like this." Youtube comments

Bring Torr back.

Oh wait no thats a terrible idea.  Give eddie a job as official forum "pimper".

Yeah its rather sad to see this site go down hill.


Good luck,
Torr

In order to reboot the forums they need a purpose - at the moment they're just a hangout for people to throw in ideas... and that relies on people having ideas in the first place...or even being around.

Start afresh - let the forums be integral to the main site by allowing it be where all the comments to articles on the main page can be easily found - eg having a thread for each article.

That creates lots of purposeful new threads that people can discuss either from the comments section at the bottom of the article itself or in the forums.

Then there needs to be a few mods or people associated with Kikizo that reply the threads every so often and keep them in check or add to the discussion, more people like Edwin basically (never thought I'd say that! :P), so people feel they're part of something bigger.

I'm basing this on bittech.com who have a large forum of people with similar interests which used to be relatively small, but through active encouragement at the end of every feature and news item on the main page has drawn many interesting and active people to comment and keep coming back.


Ps and where are the video reviews up to?

Every time a new article or whatever goes up, have a "Discuss this article in the forumz!!" link along with a thread dedicated to the article/review/whatever.  That thread, in turn, would link to the article.  That would cross promote the forum and the main site in every section.  Forum-only lurkers would see new content and be like "Oh shit I wanna read the new Bernie Stolar interview so I can bash him in this thread" or whatever.  And others who don't normally peruse the forums might after seeing the link at the bottom of the page thinking "Wow, this interview really made me upset with Bernie Stolar.  If only there were some way I could debase him on the internet... oh wait!".  With the link there, even the subject of said interviews or whatever would be tempted to look what was being said about it, making the forums far more relevant. 

Yeah, for example the new bad game designs article would make a great thread.

"If you knew how good I am you would think I'm modest."

But like, isn't that essentially what the tried and tested commenting system which we finally implemented with the relaunch allows for anyway? What is the difference between extensive comment threads on the main site and reproducing such threads within this forum framwork? Perhaps what we need to do is replace this forum with some sort of unified comment dashboard plug-in...

Commenting on the article itself kind of bloats the actual page.  Moving the comments to a forum keeps the idiots off of the article itself and moves them here.  Nobody wants to see their interview skittled with comments like "LOL wut a los3r" right below the article.  I could understand comments being allowed below the article for a review, though.

Check out Sega-16.com, it works really well for us.

The comments below the article serve as an important, quick way of getting heard or seeing what people have to say, and will attract new users.  But its not easy to keep track of what you've said this way.  You have to go into each article to follow up what you posted, the articles move or disappear as new articles appear.  Plus you may want to hide many of them to avoid bloating the article as Joe said.

The forums can archive these comments in one easy to browse section.  And will allow for it to be more apparent how much activity is going on on the site, rather than having all the comments being separate and hidden within the articles. And people can make other threads as they please to build on that.

For example, I've seen a number of new users commenting directly onto the articles recently who wouldn't have come into the forum to do the same.   The same posts/threads available to browse in the forum lists would then be easy to see and reply to - attracting the other people who wouldn't have otherwise made a new thread.

Growth is then exponential - or at least a little bit.

Good points chaps...

Joe, don't you supposedly work in a cinemotography related field? I would think you would have SOME artistic sense and not design your webpage to make it look like it was made by a 10 year old using a site builder template from yahoo.com

joeredifer.com is an embarassment.

As for these forums, I don't think they were ever truly popular, they experienced an anamoly of perhaps 10 or so very active users, which in turn may have drawn in more people, but most of the new people never became as active and in the end the entire forum's activity could be traced back to the same small group of people. 

As people from that group left it started a domino effect i.e. I don't want to troll threads made by random new guys, I like to troll threads made by regulars, once they started to dissapear there was no reason for my existence on these forums, which in turn made other posters who dedicated their life to harassing me on the forums post less, and that's just one example of the chain reaction. 

It was a delicate balance, we had the right amount of people who posted news (jewish guy), the right amount of idiots (quez, torr, etc.), the right amount of trolls (me, emotep, etc.) and the right amount of people with no life whatsoever (joe, locopuyo, etc.) after the balance was disturbed it all fell apart.

Joe, don't you supposedly work in a cinemotography related field? I would think you would have SOME artistic sense and not design your webpage to make it look like it was made by a 10 year old using a site builder template from yahoo.com

Well, my original HTML 1.0 version designed by my niece in Netscape Navigator was getting a little stale. 

choupolo


The comments below the article serve as an important, quick way of getting heard or seeing what people have to say, and will attract new users.  But its not easy to keep track of what you've said this way.  You have to go into each article to follow up what you posted, the articles move or disappear as new articles appear.  Plus you may want to hide many of them to avoid bloating the article as Joe said.

The forums can archive these comments in one easy to browse section.  And will allow for it to be more apparent how much activity is going on on the site, rather than having all the comments being separate and hidden within the articles. And people can make other threads as they please to build on that.

For example, I've seen a number of new users commenting directly onto the articles recently who wouldn't have come into the forum to do the same.   The same posts/threads available to browse in the forum lists would then be easy to see and reply to - attracting the other people who wouldn't have otherwise made a new thread.

Growth is then exponential - or at least a little bit.

This sounds like Good Sense to me :) (and I'm not just saying that because you want more people like me around). The problem I guess is how one integrates ye olde forum code with the new hotness that is Wordpress.

And the answer, is there is no way to do that. Totally different languages, databasez etc. :)

Have the writer of the article make a post in the forum, then put a link at the bottom of the article or next to the comments to the forum post.

Or post a comment on the article with a link to the forum page.

"If you knew how good I am you would think I'm modest."

I think Adam was talking about Wordpress (which I am not familiar with).

But yeah, starting a new thread about a new article (with a URL pointing to said article) and then immediately updating the end of the article with the URL of the new thread would be pretty easy.  I don't know of any way to automate that.

Joe Redifer


I think Adam was talking about Wordpress (which I am not familiar with).

But yeah, starting a new thread about a new article (with a URL pointing to said article) and then immediately updating the end of the article with the URL of the new thread would be pretty easy.  I don't know of any way to automate that.

That's what we did at the place I used to work for, and it was an almighty pain in the arse ;) but sure, let's run with it. Look out for a Dante's Inferno thread on Tuesday then...


Is there no way to run a "latest/most popular forum threads" module on the frontpage, Adam? Can't we just direct WP to pull the last set of links from the relevant folder or something?


/has no idea what he's talking about

We can display current forum data over on WP, but we can't automate WP activity back into the forum. WP-native forum availability seems to be shit at present; we'd likely need to code our own solution.

No such thing as simple answers, is there?

The Dante's Inferno review embargo has been pushed back, btw. It's tomorrow at 6pm.

penis

I wouldn't say it was dead. It's more like a coma.

Nitro


I wouldn't say it was dead. It's more like a coma.

Ever the optimist :p

Persistent vegetative state or locked-in syndrome maybe. 

Good job on the new review threads btw, I'm guessing you're adding these manually - next step would be to find a way to automatically add all the comments already at the end of the articles to the forum threads (if at all possible).

I think the buzz of these forums will be reignited with the wave of next-gen consoles.

There's nothing to speculate on any more; current-gen is mundane in the sense that we
know what everything is capable of.

If all else fails, just call it NakedLadiesKikizotheirpantsoff.com

...and watch the hits roll in.

How does this forum work again?

There are two rules to success:

1. Never tell all you know.

I agree with Tiz. These forums will be all ablaze once the next-gen console specs start getting leaked. Speculation on the games, and what these consoles are going to be capable of (who is going to be the pretty girl at the prom) and so forth.

I also think that the wow factor in the gaming industry needs to come back. We need to start having Sony, Nintendo, and MS along with the game developers keep secrets better. so that come E3 and TGS and the like there are actual real announcements that surprise and shock us all. Bring back the days of announcing a new console at E3 please.

Most wanted games:

Mass Effect
Assasins Creed
Crysis
Little Big Planet
Drakes Fortune
UTIII
Kane and Lynch
Heavy Rain
Alan Wake

Unfortunately the "next generation" appears to be the Playstation Move, Natal and whatever the hell Nintendo does.  Motion Plus?

I like this approach. "It's the gaming industry's fault that nobody posts here." Damn right!

Hey, we need something to really get excited about and obviously items like Move, Natal, and even 3D gaming aren't enough to get the people on this forum talking about it. Oh, and has anyone here even mentioned the iPad and it's games?

For myself I just can't get at all excited about the Move as whenever I see it all I can keep thinking is "this is a black Wiimote", and I can't get excited about Natal because we haven't seen any real games using it yet, all we have gotten with Natal is Professor Crackpot (Peter Molyneux) telling us that it will be  used for Fable 3. How about SHOW us something substantial.

I see a real lack of originality from a lot of devs right now with a few exceptions, and not many risks being taken. I understand the need to make money, and therefore I can understand devs wanting to copy the most popular gaming formula because they know it will sell. It's like having Steak and Potatoes everynight for supper. Wouldn't you like to have something different on your plate once in a while?

Most wanted games:

Mass Effect
Assasins Creed
Crysis
Little Big Planet
Drakes Fortune
UTIII
Kane and Lynch
Heavy Rain
Alan Wake

LMAO @ "Professor Crackpot"

Natal better deliver - everything else he's ever produced has been half-assed and incomplete.

Bring back free games, all I do lately is lurk Neogaf. 

I do not understand why anyone attends NeoGaf.