But... the Wii can' t do 1080p!

ORIGINAL: ginjirou

How the f*** did Emotep get the level " I love PS3" ???!?!?!?!?!

I want ' Jew' ...

Eddie i have a fiend who own zelda on wii and he was a bit disapointed in the early levels of zelda, but then after few hours he said things start being very interesting and when he finished the game, he says its very close in quality to zelda OCT and the second best zelda he ever played. this coming from a huge zelda fan, played all of them except wind waker. so you better give a try or you' ll miss something big. don' t let the first part of the game discourage you because that' s excalty what he felt in the begining.

I might give it a shot once I get a Wii, but considering I am currently without a Gamecube.

Well dude, I took your advice, & just got back from playing another couple of hours of Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess.

My verdict is still the same. It would be a good game if it didn' t have to live up to the zelda franchise, but in the end it didn' t wow me like WindWaker did. I will give it this, it does get better after the first 2 hours, so if you haven' t played past that I suggest you at least finish it.

As far as the graphics go, it' s true that pixel-shaders high-resolution textures a good game does not make, but the N64 couldn' t have handled WindWaker for the Gamecube. The Gamecube easily handles Twilight Princess for the Wii.

Well dude, I took your advice, & just got back from playing another couple of hours of Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess.

My verdict is still the same. It would be a good game if it didn' t have to live up to the zelda franchise, but in the end it didn' t wow me like WindWaker did. I will give it this, it does get better after the first 2 hours, so if you haven' t played past that I suggest you at least finish it.

well i can' t argue with you as i didn' t play the game myself, all i can say is that he said the game really take off after the first dungeons and that he thought was an awesome game , his score is 98% i remember, now this is from somebody who has a lot of experience in J rpg' s and action rpg a la zelda. He didn' t not play wind waker though, he jumped straight from Majora' s Mask to twilight which might " explain" his astonishment.

As far as the graphics go, it' s true that pixel-shaders high-resolution textures a good game does not make, but the N64 couldn' t have handled WindWaker for the Gamecube. The Gamecube easily handles Twilight Princess for the Wii.

sorry didn' t get your point, what' s your point EXACTLY.

That the only technologial progression is in the control method.

Question: If Nintendo had simply released the Wiimote for the Gamecube as an additional controller, how successful would it have been?

zero chance , nada.

That the only technologial progression is in the control method.

so? we' re criticizing twilight princess not the wii, even if the only technological progression is in the control method, it doesn' t make this zelda average to its predecessors. for me it' s not a wii game , it' s a gamecube game, with some gimmicks added STILL it' s a very good game for many people. i wish i had play it so i can give my opinion.

ORIGINAL: Abasoufiane

zero chance , nada.

Ok, so Wii, the console, is the vessel to deliver the control method. That' s fine, but without the controller it' s a Gamecube. So the question is; does the controller add enough to warrant an entire 5 year generation, on top of the 6 year old Gamecube?

Now, since we know we can have innovation AND superior hardware (see Eye of Judgement, Guitar Hero, Eye Toy, Rainbow Six: Vegas' s facemapping etc...) then what makes Wii so special?

How are Nintendo gettong away with repackaging their previous console and giving it a funky controller?

it' s called marketing and nintendo is getting very good at it this time around, you could explain the wii success because people see those ads and think that might be a great idea to play viodeo games with the family, parents are more encouraged to buy this console to their kids as they see it as an opportunity to have fun with them without being intimidated by regular controlers. those ads work like a charm.

then when a bunch of people buy the console, you want to get like theirs as well so can exchange games between your friends and play the same games as your friends do. if you buy a 360 and 8 of your friends have Wii, you will be marginalized. following this, success lead to even more success.

the price is also a factor.

we want to know what are the people who buy the wii, if most of them are serious gamers, then they will buy many games, we can have a look at the sell charts to analyse them, and that' s scary because you add that segment to the occasional gamers that is already sold by the wii, and you get a monumental market , all developers will be interested in.

If most of wii buyers are wanna be gamers and just passing time, which we might know if the sell chart is mostly party games and wii sports . then developers will not be encouraged to invest in a wii and serious games will always be home for ps3 and 360.

If Nintendo had simply released the Wiimote for the Gamecube as an additional controller, how successful would it have been?

That' s fine, but without the controller it' s a Gamecube.

Ok so far no Wii game has proven otherwise but it has been stated by Ati that the Wii is capable of alot more and what we are seeing now is just the " tip of the iceberg" so we have yet to see what the console is truely capable of in terms of graphics. Metroid Prime 3 and Mario Galaxy should show us what the Wii is capable of in terms of graphics. So I think we should wait and see if its just another Gamecube. I' m as dissapointed with the Wii as everyone else is but I still have faith in the console. The next few months could make or break the console.

the issue i see is not whether it' s a second gamecube or not, but if it really succeds like ps2 did, this thing will bring the technology back, a lot of our beloved sequels and new ip' s from great developers for which we bought our 360' s or ps3' s will head to that console or simply get canceled. this will be a nightmare.

the issue i see is not whether it' s a second gamecube or not, but if it really succeds like ps2 did

Yep your spot on. In order for the Wii to succeed like the PS2 it needs games, games, games, games. I' m getting sick of shitty PS2 ports and all these damn party games.

second, it feels like an unpolished game, the animation is weak, some bugs here and there, some freezes for a second or two but it' s still annoying.

It sort of depends, do you have xbox live? If you dont have live then you obviously havnt gotten any of the updates, which really sucks. Before they fixed most of the bugs you could just walk along the beach and get stuck in a random rock.

Question: If Nintendo had simply released the Wiimote for the Gamecube as an additional controller, how successful would it have been?

I think the hyping of the wii, a few months before it came out, really helped it. If it were going to the GC they wouldnt have been able to hype it since it had already failed

Let this thread die, it had no value in the first place. If you want to discuss the Wii then do so in the Wii sales thread. It gets confusing when we are discussing basically the same thing in two different threads.

Ok so far no Wii game has proven otherwise but it has been stated by Ati that the Wii is capable of alot more and what we are seeing now is just the " tip of the iceberg"

" The Emotion Engine is capable of accurately rendering a multitude of human emotions, unrivaled by any other processor in development today"

Don' t trust press-announcements.

I' m not saying there' s not more to the Wii, but I' m still waiting for something to shock me.

Don' t trust press-announcements.

You' re right Eddie. Alot of it is bull.

but I' m still waiting for something to shock me.

Don' t expect anything to shock you Eddie but I do think Prime 3 and Mario Galaxy should be fairly impressive. Well hopefully anyway!

Prime 3 isn' t going to shock me at all.





Shocking me would imply that I thought it could be anything less than perfect.

Let this thread die, it had no value in the first place. If you want to discuss the Wii then do so in the Wii sales thread

Discussing this there would still be going off topic, maybe we should just change the name of the thread and ban emo

Graphicly, Mario galaxy is easily the best looking game on the wii, and I do think that the wii graphics will impress... ina few years. right now all wii gets is party games, mainly becuase it is targeted at a casual audience, I am sure Nintendo lost some hardcore fans faith when this was annocced. Going back to Oblivion, I do think Wind Waker was better thinking back... and I dislike Zelda [I think its dated and will go nowhere after oot, sorry fans] ... But i think Okami is better than both. and that is a Zelda rip, but with enough different for me to enjoy, ... But Shadow the Collouss owns all, my game of 2006 easily.

Change is inevitable. Except from a vending machine.

Viva La Revolution! erm, I mean Viva La Wii!

ORIGINAL: Silentbomber

But Shadow the Collouss owns all, my game of 2006 easily.

Yeah it' s funny how my favourite game last years was SotC, and this year so far it' s God of War II. Both last-gen games

yeah your saying your enjoying gow2 alot on the ps2, but isnt it more of the same?, while I did think the orginal god of war was great [didnt it just come out of nowhere?] I thought the battle system was lacking compared to the mighty dmc3, but i had just as fun with both games. I hear the story in this one is better, which is very good in my books, as the story in the first was good also.

Change is inevitable. Except from a vending machine.

Viva La Revolution! erm, I mean Viva La Wii!

Still haven' t gotten around to playing GoW2, but if it' s anything like the first then I' m in love.

So, am I the only one that climbed the temple in SotC?

...hey Emotep is this your website? ...if so, what kinda special gamer deal could you do for me on a super badass 1080p Bravia?

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ORIGINAL: Bishonen

...hey Emotep is this your website? ...if so, what kinda special gamer deal could you do for me on a super badass 1080p Bravia?

Yup. :P

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WOW AMAZING A TV THAT CAN UPSCALE OMG!!!!!!! SUCH AMAZING TECHNOLOGY ITS NOT LIKE EVERY SINGLE OTHER LCD TV EVER MADE CAN DO IT OR ANYTHING I MUST BE A GENIOUS FOR FINDING THIS OUT HUH!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

"If you knew how good I am you would think I'm modest."

ORIGINAL: locopuyo

WOW AMAZING A TV THAT CAN UPSCALE OMG!!!!!!! SUCH AMAZING TECHNOLOGY ITS NOT LIKE EVERY SINGLE OTHER LCD TV EVER MADE CAN DO IT OR ANYTHING I MUST BE A GENIOUS FOR FINDING THIS OUT HUH!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

Except the TV isn' t upscaling.

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It doesn' t matter where the upscaling is happening, it' s still being upscaled. You' re still getting ABSOLUTELY NO BETTER than 480p detail which the Wii is outputting. Upscaling can' t invent detail that was never there. If you think this is true 1080p, you' re quite the moron.

With your awesome logic, the freakin' Sega Master System can do 1080p natively.

...hey Emotep, can you put that link to your website back up? ...i really am interested in buying a Bravia (if you can do me a great deal)....

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...belay that order... ...the links working again.

Unable to express subtle shades of grey, Plasma TVs recreate artificial noise patterns and contours around objects. BRAVIA LCD TVs on the other hand, can recreate every scene with exceptional clarity and precision.

..wtf is that all about? ...subtle shades of grey?????

...i thought quality was all about a display' s ability to handle blacks and Contrast ratios??????

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you know what bishonen , i still dn' t understand all this " black thing" and contrast ratio, what is it all about ? and now the shade of grey ? wtf ? can somebody clarify ALL this please

....ya, the grey thing as far as I' m aware only makes sense if you believe the wii to be a next gen gaming system (lol), but for a general consensus on what makes a good display, check out this thread...

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ORIGINAL: Joe Redifer

It doesn' t matter where the upscaling is happening, it' s still being upscaled. You' re still getting ABSOLUTELY NO BETTER than 480p detail which the Wii is outputting. Upscaling can' t invent detail that was never there. If you think this is true 1080p, you' re quite the moron.

With your awesome logic, the freakin' Sega Master System can do 1080p natively.

PWND

I second that notion.

you know what bishonen , i still dn' t understand all this " black thing" and contrast ratio, what is it all about ? and now the shade of grey ? wtf ? can somebody clarify ALL this please

I can tell you what it is, just not why. LCD TVs have trouble displaying " true-black" , some of the cheaper models end up as more of a darker grey color, making it hard to differentiate between black & dark grey. The higher-end models display a truer-black color, so if you' ve got money it' s a bit of a non-issue.

It' s an issue in any price range, contrast levels on LCD screens remains the biggest problem. It' s better with more expensive models but the problem still exists. Basically dark colours look totally black, increasing the contrast makes them look grey. Either way you lose a lot of detail.

Example,low 1200:1 contrast ratio on the left, high contrast ratio 1,000,000:1 on the right:

eddie, agent, thanks it' s much clearer now

No prob. Those are pics of the wicked display they were flaunting at CES right Agent?

hmm I just found out the contrast ratio of the tv I am going to get is 800:1, will that affect it much? I know its not great but I dont have that much money to spend on the more expensive models.

Change is inevitable. Except from a vending machine.

Viva La Revolution! erm, I mean Viva La Wii!

ORIGINAL: Silentbomber

hmm I just found out the contrast ratio of the tv I am going to get is 800:1, will that affect it much? I know its not great but I dont have that much money to spend on the more expensive models.

That contrast ratio sucks... especially by today' s standard.

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ORIGINAL: Emotep

ORIGINAL: Silentbomber

hmm I just found out the contrast ratio of the tv I am going to get is 800:1, will that affect it much? I know its not great but I dont have that much money to spend on the more expensive models.

That contrast ratio sucks... especially by today' s standard.

You wouldn' t know.

"If you knew how good I am you would think I'm modest."

If you' re upgrading from a 10 year old 480i tube TV, you' re not going to care about not having the best contrast ratio, every thing' s still going to look much better in high def, so don' t worry about it and get what you can afford.

ORIGINAL: Agent Ghost

It' s an issue in any price range, contrast levels on LCD screens remains the biggest problem. It' s better with more expensive models but the problem still exists. Basically dark colours look totally black, increasing the contrast makes them look grey. Either way you lose a lot of detail.

Example,low 1200:1 contrast ratio on the left, high contrast ratio 1,000,000:1 on the right:

That is so exagerated it' s not even funny.

A 1200:1 TV does NOT look that bad, awful pic, looks like someone took a pic and jacked up the gamma on photoshop.