Resistance FoM Needs blu ray - BULL$#!T

Well its not official per se but some one at the NeoGAF forums has used Linux to discover that Resistance (potentially) uses upto 17GBs of padding. Whats padding?

To push data to the outer rims I suppose. Transfer rates are higher out there.

Disc based games are never optimized for size anyways with a few exceptions like oblivion where new DLC is a couple hundred kilobytes each

Link - http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=130883

Hmm i did wonder before why Resistance required so much disk space considering its running at 720p and not 1080p and this may be the reason. blu ray necessary for games? Maybe but NOT for Resistance.

In other words," It means they added empty files to fill up space" .

GJ SONY YOU BEEN CAUGHT AGAIN.

Even if you break 2 legs from a crab it still runs!
What you gotta do is find its weak spot and do massive damage at it.

You mean Sony lies again? I was wondering what all that space was for.

Its like putting 5 kilo extra in your weighscale at a gym.
And say you need their exercise ^^

Even if you break 2 legs from a crab it still runs!
What you gotta do is find its weak spot and do massive damage at it.

lol, this is obvious.. i couldnt see anything in that game that would need soo much data..

SONY = OWNED again

this isnt oficcial is it??? i mean it could be just bullshit, im sure Lair will make great use of Blu-Ray, then many others.

i would like to see extra content in games like the content in God of War, it had a hell of alot content, interviews, deleted levels, " the making of GoW" , " the fate of the titan" " the secret" all the in game cutscenes, " heroic posibilities" , and alot more thing, thats what SONY has to do, hell they can even pack demos of other Sony published games, or thirth partys as well, how cool would it be to have a Resident Evil 5 demo on Devil May Cry 4 for the PS3, it will even make the game sell more. they will make use of the space, im sure of it.

Here these dev put fake files in their ps3 games to make it look bigger so blu-ray look needed,and look who comment about how he want to have more material over for his games for other stuff,gj Fernanindo,you really sticked to topic.

Take of the sonyfanboy hate for once will ya?

It' s not hard adding another DVD with the game,did you know that 2 dvd' s are cheaper to produce then one blu-ray???

ye no?

Even if you break 2 legs from a crab it still runs!
What you gotta do is find its weak spot and do massive damage at it.

Bra stuffing eh? anyway i' m back people what have I missed. As for resistance it does' nt really take away from the gamw anyhow it looks fantastic but if it' s more playing into sony' s PR crap insomniac needs to stay away from that cos I love those guys and their work.

ITs not official as i said, but it does question the claims sony made as to the usefullness of the blu ray format in current games.

Whether it uses 17+ GBs seems irrelevant now, Gears OF War pretty much answered that question - Looks better & plays better then Resistance FoM and uses less then 7GBs and you can play it on a console US$100-$200 cheaper.

Is blu ray necessary for games - ask me in 5 years time.

This is rediculous.

But then next gen starts...

At next generation i do think HD-DVD,blu-ray is a must have,why?

Well HD-tv' s aprobably in most of our homes,and if the typcial 360 game is now at 5-7gb i could see the need to use a bigger disc storage for next gen.

Also i think at that time blu-ray or hd-dvds are just as common as a normal DVD to buy at a store or produce at tha ttime.

Even if you break 2 legs from a crab it still runs!
What you gotta do is find its weak spot and do massive damage at it.

ORIGINAL: Terrak

ITs not official as i said, but it does question the claims sony made as to the usefullness of the blu ray format in current games.

Whether it uses 17+ GBs seems irrelevant now, Gears OF War pretty much answered that question - Looks better & plays better then Resistance FoM and uses less then 7GBs and you can play it on a console US$100-$200 cheaper.

Is blu ray necessary for games - ask me in 5 years time.

It' s still irrelevant in my opinion. Because format space does' nt add to people' s enjoyment of a game did people like gears because it was on dvd9? and resistance because it' s only on one blu-ray disc? I even forgot for a sec that I had to change discs in shenmue.

ORIGINAL: QuezcatoL

Here these dev put fake files in their ps3 games to make it look bigger so blu-ray look needed

thats my point, its not official, its just some guys word, i dont know how much to trust that, could be truth could be a lie, what im saying its that one way or the other the space its not a problem, there are a lot of things they can do whit that, and its not like a burden, the games cost the same 60 dlls.

Anybody who think that a developer would have data on a disc wth the tag ' artificial padding' is a complete and utter moron. It' s 100% bullshit.

Looked around for more info -

http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/showthread.php?p=881724#post881724

Not only have they misreported the GAF thread, they also ignored Ted Price' s more recent comments about Resistance shipping at around 16GB. If you' re not interested in learning what the actual disc usage is, please look away now:

The numbers associated with each file are the LBA index, each LBA has a block size = 2kb. Determining the difference between one LBA index with the next indicates the number of blocks a given file occupies. This means that:

Padding file size = 32MB.
Total padding = 1.9GB.
Total FMV = 7GB.
Audio = 2.24GB. (605MB for music and English language only)
Game Assets = 6.12GB.

Game Assets 6.12 GBs
Audio 2.24 GBs

Game only - 8.36 GBs
Therefore Resistance FoM CAN technically fit on a DVD9 (gaming assets and Audio only)

FMV - 7 GBs !!!!! Yeah we really need those movies. What, the ps3s ingame graphics not good enough for cut scenes??

ORIGINAL: Terrak

Looked around for more info -

http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/showthread.php?p=881724#post881724

Not only have they misreported the GAF thread, they also ignored Ted Price' s more recent comments about Resistance shipping at around 16GB. If you' re not interested in learning what the actual disc usage is, please look away now:

The numbers associated with each file are the LBA index, each LBA has a block size = 2kb. Determining the difference between one LBA index with the next indicates the number of blocks a given file occupies. This means that:

Padding file size = 32MB.
Total padding = 1.9GB.
Total FMV = 7GB.
Audio = 2.24GB. (605MB for music and English language only)
Game Assets = 6.12GB.

Game Assets 6.12 GBs
Audio 2.24 GBs

Game only - 8.36 GBs
There fore Resistance FoM CAN technically fit on DVD (with gaming assets and Audio)

FMV - 7 GBs !!!!! Yeah we really need those movies, what the ps3s ingame graphics not good enough for cut scenes??

Gears uses ingame assets for it' s FMV sequences and the RAM usage is high, that' s one of the reasons the framerate is lower than during actual gameplay. Resistance uses FMV and will simply stream the movies on the disc, it' s more efficient but obviously require more space. I would rather Gears had used a similar method than what it actually uses.

All this bullshit about we don' t need Blu-Ray needs to stop. Blue Dragon will ship on 3 fucking discs because of FMV!!!

If a game didn' t use FMV and didn' t have multiple languages and audio streams then it' s highly likely it' d fit on a DVD9. Start using HD FMV and the size bloats.

Use some common sense before posting retarded bullshit like this.

Anybody who think that a developer would have data on a disc wth the tag ' artificial padding' is a complete and utter moron. It' s 100% bullshit.

I was Wondering when you were gonna silence this madness lol

Use some common sense before posting retarded bullshit like this.

Get em maji

ORIGINAL: mikayd2

Anybody who think that a developer would have data on a disc wth the tag ' artificial padding' is a complete and utter moron. It' s 100% bullshit.

I was Wondering when you were gonna silence this madness lol

PS3' s 2nd wave of games will close the huge gap set by Gears of War. This generation is going to be close on all fronts and it looks like we' ll see more 360 games on multiple discs. That doesn' t matter because we' ve had to swap discs before, it only matter to the publisher and developer because it costs more to press the games.

Blu-Ray, in my humble opinion, isn' t needed, but it does bring benefits that developers would be stupid not to take full advantage of. Lets bear in mind that Sony is forcing Blu-Ray on developers and so some games obviously wont take up more than would be needed if the game was being pressed on DVD9, but having multiple audio steams is nice if you appreciate the option to choose what format your sound is.

Resistance shipped at 16GB, i linked to Ted Prices IGN blog more than a month ago when people were saying it was still 22+. What it allows is for one versuon of the game to be released for Europe, having multiple language' s all on the same disc. Microsoft on the othe hand release multiple versions of their games, each with different languages. The way Microsoft do it is less efficient and more costly. It doesn' t make much difference but it' s also not like having them all on one disc is a bad thing.

Who said Blu-Ray would directly benefit you ???

Well spoken majik, u just said it all.

Get em maji

Well spoken majik, u just said it all.

No Majik, be my big brother in the argument! I need the moral support, not Fernandino!

Unless I' m mistaken, Majik isn' t " Getting ' em" for you or anything. He' s based his own opinions off of facts, & not brand loyalty, you should try it.

dasher232

Long-time no-see man!

ORIGINAL: Majikdra6on
Gears uses ingame assets for it' s FMV sequences and the RAM usage is high, that' s one of the reasons the framerate is lower than during actual gameplay. Resistance uses FMV and will simply stream the movies on the disc, it' s more efficient but obviously require more space. I would rather Gears had used a similar method than what it actually uses.

Can' t really comment on this because i don' t have GoW, however i find it hard to believe that prescripted in game graphics cut scenes require more RAM and system resources then actually playing but if thats true so be it.

All this bullshit about we don' t need Blu-Ray needs to stop. Blue Dragon will ship on 3 fucking discs because of FMV!!!

Thats one game amongst several hundred. Interms of significance it doesn' t even register one percent so having one game isn' t currently the most convincing reason to upgrade to blu ray yet. I could also point out Oblivion & GoW which was a huge game but still fit comfortably in a DVD9.
Secondly if you read my comments i never said blu ray was unneccesary.
i said

blu ray necessary for games? Maybe but NOT for Resistance.

. Please stop reading out of context. sony claimed that Resistance FoM was proof positive that blu ray is currently needed, when as i have shown it could have been easily place on a DVD9 (without FMV).

If a game didn' t use FMV and didn' t have multiple languages and audio streams then it' s highly likely it' d fit on a DVD9. Start using HD FMV and the size bloats.

Use some common sense before posting retarded bullshit like this.

I' m guessing here people are forgeting what FMV was supposed to do. It was a more appealing way to tell the games story. FMV was used (think ps1) because the graphics at the time were not capable of delivering realistic and life like graphics that could effectively deliver the emotional impact of the story. That was then, nowdays consoles can delivery incredibly realistic graphics pretty much dispensing with the need for FMV. What now ps3s in game graphics not good enough for cut scenes??

The whole point i was making was -

Sony claimed that the game Resistance fall of MAn was proof that blu ray was necessary - thus justifying delays shortages and high price of ps3

Now its found that the Resistance (8.36GBs) game could fit within a DVD9, with half the blu ray disk filled with FMV(7.0GBs) and ' padding (1.9GBs). Has sonys claims been justified???? I don' t f**' n think so.

I Never once claimed blu ray ITSELF was unnecessary, just that it was unncecessary for Resistance.

Unless I' m mistaken, Majik isn' t " Getting ' em" for you or anything. He' s based his own opinions off of facts, & not brand loyalty, you should try it.

No shit sherlock

As Much as I like to hate Mr. Majik He always seems to be on top of his shit.
Hell make an great game developer type or what ever you want to call it .
That' s All I Meant By that Apology accepted. Lol Try that Sometime

PS3' s 2nd wave of games will close the huge gap set by Gears of War.

So with already a 6 month delay (from ps3s promised spring 2006 launch date) playstation fans have to wait even longer (6-12 months) to get games with graphics comparable to what 360 is getting now? With a US$100-200 premium? Thats considering 360 games don' t improve during that time. No thanks.

ORIGINAL: Terrak

PS3' s 2nd wave of games will close the huge gap set by Gears of War.

So with already a 6 month delay (from ps3s promised spring 2006 launch date) playstation fans have to wait even longer (6-12 months) to get games with graphics comparable to what 360 is getting now? With a US$100-200 premium? Thats considering 360 games don' t improve during that time. No thanks.

so that was ur point all the along??? u should have saved yourself all the trouble and just post:


WII60 RULZZZZ, PS3 Sucks...

BTW i am what u would call a PlayStation fan and im very happy whit what SONY its doing, im happy about the delays (well not happy but god forbid another Genji 2 or Dark Kingdom, if they need time ill gladly give them time) many people may complain about the price and i understand that, maybe they complain about it because they cant use the bluray playability, i can so to me its a very good deal.

ORIGINAL: fernandino
so that was ur point all the along??? u should have saved yourself all the trouble and just post:

WII60 RULZZZZ, PS3 Sucks...

LOL, that would have been alot easier but not as effective.
sony bragged that (about a year ago) ps3 was twice as powerful as the 360 and joked that the 360 was simply xbox 1.5. Launching a year later with supposedly the most powerful system consumers must wait even longer for ps3 to compare favourably with 360? WTF? sony ain' t boasting about its supposed 2x advantage now the ps3s released are they?
Maybe the ps3 will show its full potential several years for now, but as of now they are playing catch up to 360, that to me doesn' t justify the US$100-200 price premium.

Yeah man, SONY has a lot trouble and alot of flaws, but it also does things very well, i trust SONY because they back up their consoles, i know when i buy a PS3 im getting alot of things im not getting anywhere else, i got EXCLUSI GAMES, not time exclusive or console exclusive, im getting really exclusive games, im getting all my PS1/PS2 games, SONY its a huge game developer, SONY´s first party resources are those of MS and Nintendo combined, and they are delivering great games for their 3 consoles, MS just has to focus on the 360 and Nintendo doesnt even care about GC anymore, while SONY its going to publish the following games

PS2:

Rouge Galaxy
God of War II
SOCOM US Navy Seals: Cobined Assault
Eye Toy 3.


PSP:

Ratchet: Size Matters
SOCOM: Fire Team Bravo
Joane´d Arc
Killzone: Liberations
ATV Offroad Fury Pro

PS3:

Resistance: FoM
Lair
Heavenly Sword
The Getaway
GT HD
White Knigth
MotorStorm
Warhawk
Eigth Days
F1 07
Killzone

And so many others since are over 100 SONY published games for the PS3 between full and arcade games.

MS pretty much build a new ship whit the 360 and then sunk its xbox, then they nicely ask all of its marooned fans to " jump in" the brand new ship, really when they released their slogan i was like WTF??? are they taunting us??? and the thing cant even play all the xbox games, because they couldnt do it??? no, because they whant u to buy 360 games, even tho sometimes the xbox version ofthe same game its even better than the nextgen version, the GC was done almost 1 year ago, hell one of the reasons that MS has already sold 6 million 360´s its that the xbox and GC are dead by all propuse, they needed a new console, u know how many PS2 users own a 360??? 16% of the total 360 userbase, why??? because the PS2 still fills the gamers demands whit several AAA games just released and some killer aps on their way.

BTW, whit twice the powerfull depends what are u talking about, procesing power then yes, the PS3 its more powerfull than the 360 u can see that in Resistance, when u play 40 player multiplayer, resistance has some of the most intense on-screen accion in videogame history and it handles it whitout a frame drop, Lair can handle 10,000 characters on screen simulatin the light, AI, Physics, direction 16 miles scenarios and so on, Octo-Cam also relys heavely on the cell processing power.

So SONY does good alot of things, better than anyone else, thats why there are so many SONY hard supporters, i doubted the PS1, then i doubted the PS2, i would be a total fool if i doubt the PS3 or SONY.

Mmmm sony has alot more 3rd party exclusives than first party, which are few and far between, the 3rd party ones are going to the 360 as well alot of them! If ónly Sqaure would make FF for the 360, things would pretty much be settled!

Oh and someone could make jet another Jak clone for the 360 so people can play crap like that as well

ORIGINAL: Eddie_the_Hated

Unless I' m mistaken, Majik isn' t " Getting ' em" for you or anything. He' s based his own opinions off of facts, & not brand loyalty, you should try it.

Uh huh, and i' m going to let these two sad and pathetic (Terrak + mikayd2) individuals argue like know nothing fanboys and make fools of themselves. I' ve said my piece.

Lol @ fernanindo,xbox released earlier then the GC,and has been out almost as long as the GC,and still you claim XBOX was sinked?

What has GC been then?

This might come as a shock to you,but most of the xbox owners,really dont wanna stay at the xbox,but to go to 360.

5 years is a long time and there is many titles out there,i could care less if ps2 still deliver games my pc games looks 10000 times better,i wanna move on.

Yes,rogue galaxy and ff12 isnät out in europe yet and i wandt them,but just because companies delay games doesnt mean we should stick in the old gen.

It' s gone 5 years ffs since xbox was born,i change pc every third year,i wanna move on so does everyone else.

Most of the xbox owners where people who already had a ps2,or wanted to try out the console gaming but have the most powerful console,ofc the titles that then released made people realise xbox was a great console,and MS did a good thing making themself a trusty name with the xbox.

Btw,fernanindo,why do you think ps2 still has such a big gamer base?

CAUSE you cant find a freaking ps3 and its overpriced like hell.

Wake up @ you.

My bro still has a ps2 but would have sold it as soon as possible and skip all ps2 titles if he could get a ps3,but thats not happening until..

ahum well since march is the first month,i would guess April-may 2007.

lol.

You use argument that MS rush stuff,when you should wake up and relaise sony delay cause of bluray fucking up,and its overpriced making sony first want the most loyal fans to pay a extra fee to cover up some loses from the TV industry loses at sony ^^

Even if you break 2 legs from a crab it still runs!
What you gotta do is find its weak spot and do massive damage at it.

Uh huh, and i' m going to let these two sad and pathetic (Terrak + mikayd2) individuals argue like know nothing fanboys and make fools of themselves. I' ve said my piece.

I Have said My peace I Will Say no more

MIkayd made a scene last week.

Even if you break 2 legs from a crab it still runs!
What you gotta do is find its weak spot and do massive damage at it.

ORIGINAL: mikayd2

Uh huh, and i' m going to let these two sad and pathetic (Terrak + mikayd2) individuals argue like know nothing fanboys and make fools of themselves. I' ve said my piece.

I Have said My peace I Will Say no more

In that case i retract my comments about you being sad and pathetic. I' m impressed dude.

Orig. Fernando or some male pornstar name like that
Yeah man, SONY has a lot trouble and alot of flaws, but it also does things very well, i trust SONY because they back up their consoles, i know when i buy a PS3 im getting alot of things im not getting anywhere else, i got EXCLUSI GAMES, not time exclusive or console exclusive, im getting really exclusive games, im getting all my PS1/PS2 games, SONY its a huge game developer, SONY´s first party resources are those of MS and Nintendo combined, and they are delivering great games for their 3 consoles, MS just has to focus on the 360 and Nintendo doesnt even care about GC anymore, while SONY its going to publish the following games

Yeah they back up their consoles, thats why a sony developed game isnt one of their top 3 selling games on the PS2, thats why when your PS2 messes up Sony doesnt fix it. They back it up. You are the only person dumb enough in history to compare Sony' s first party to Nintendos (or MS' s for that matter).

Orig by: Quez
Btw,fernanindo,why do you think ps2 still has such a big gamer base?

Because people had to buy another one when the first one broke.

Orig: Mikay" illiterate" D
I Have said My peace I Will Say no more

I do believe the word youre looking for is piece, not peace.

I dont want to celebrate, I want to sell you hate.

The PS3 is not overpriced...Blu-Ray players cost around 1000€ or something, so you' re basically buying a 1000€ Blu-Ray player and a Videogames Machines, it' s actually cheap. You may argue that Blu-Ray isn' t needed but the PS3 is not overpriced Quez.

@Terrak: Hey, need I remind you that the 360 has been for over one year on the Market? And that Developers have been working with the machine for a very long time? That' s why only the second wave of PS3 will look like Gears, it' s quite impressive if you ask me. GoW is the best looking game on the 360 and PS3' s 2nd wave games to look like that is amazing.

About the Topic itself, you seem to think that Sony, or in this case Insomniac, is filling the BD' s with crap and that is not true.

Here' s a PS3 preproduction game on BRD. As you can see not much of the BRD is used.

Shikasi,mayby you missed how ps3 was delayed half a year,thus having half a year more in dev time,and these who wait until early 2007 had 1 year also in time to mess with hardware,no epic didnt deliver a game before GoW.

Also, GOW is the best looking game out there,and make mgs4 looks pale in comparsin atm.

ofc mgs4 comes 2007-2008,but hey then GoW 2 is coming

Even if you break 2 legs from a crab it still runs!
What you gotta do is find its weak spot and do massive damage at it.

Yeah, you also may have missed the fact that the 360 has been with Developers for longer than the PS3.

i trust SONY because they back up their consoles,

i know when i buy a PS3 im getting alot of things im not getting anywhere else, i got EXCLUSI GAMES, not time exclusive or console exclusive, im getting really exclusive games,

Untill they get a simultaneous 360 release. Major brands for Sony have jumped ship left and right. Don' t even try to say that PS3 is going to have the solid 3rd party support PS2 did, their well oiled machine is breaking down.

im getting all my PS1/PS2 games

No you' re not, Sony promised full backwards compatibility, & it didn' t provide. Get your facts in order, then I' ll begin to take you seriously.

As a side note, I' ve got to ask. Have you even played the PS3, that is, more than 10 minutes at your local TARGET???

ORIGINAL: mikayd2

quote:

Uh huh, and i' m going to let these two sad and pathetic (Terrak + mikayd2) individuals argue like know nothing fanboys and make fools of themselves. I' ve said my piece.

I Have said My peace I Will Say no more

In that case i retract my comments about you being sad and pathetic. I' m impressed dude.

Wow, I second that.

The PS3 is not overpriced...Blu-Ray players cost around 1000€ or something, so you' re basically buying a 1000€ Blu-Ray player and a Videogames Machines, it' s actually cheap. You may argue that Blu-Ray isn' t needed but the PS3 is not overpriced Quez.

The PS3 is an overpriced games console and an underpriced Blu-Ray player. Unless you' ve got a high end 1080p HDTV that can take advantage of the movie playback, that extra 200 dollars of drive is nearly worthless in the first two or so years.

About the Topic itself, you seem to think that Sony, or in this case Insomniac, is filling the BD' s with crap and that is not true.

Can you back that up?

Well, if they are putting other Languages in the BD then that' s not crap, imo.

Well, if they are putting other Languages in the BD then that' s not crap, imo.

That' s a great application for movies, but when you' re passing the 200 dollars of drive cost on to your devoted gaming customers, it' s not great for us. If it sticks, it' ll be awesome for Sony, but for the most part, we' re going to get the blunt end of the deal.