Current Software Attach Ratios...

My good buddy VX was looking for attach ratios, so even though i wouldn' t usually do this...

According to NPD (and so for the US only) - and coming by way of the ever so vile Joystiq:

Xbox 360 = 6.59 (hardware total sold = 6.8 million; software total sold = 44.8 million)

PlayStation 3 = 3.58 (hardware total sold = 1.9 million; software total sold = 6.8 million)

Wii = 3.44 (hardware total sold = 4.5 million; software total sold = 15.5 million)

What' s interesting is that Sony has sold 2.6M less PS3' s than Nintendo has Wii' s and yet the software attach ratio is about the same. Not good for Nintendo, especially given that Wii Play [unfairly?] counts for Nintendo' s software total and has sold approx 300k every month since launch. Removing the Wii Play sales would take Wii' s " actual" attach ratio down to about 3.00

Removing the Wii Play sales would take Wii' s " actual" attach ratio down to about 3.00

Thats impressive, i can hardly find 3 games i want to buy for the wii

Super Paper Mario

and maybe Zelda

it does seem to lend some justification that the wii is primarily bought by people who don' t game very much, and that the PS3 has had a lot of purchasers looking for just a Blu-ray player (or that the library of games is just not that expansive yet).

also I don' t consider myself a prolific games purchaser but I' ve far exceeded my quota, so there must be a lot of people who only buy one or two games for their machines.

I bought a lot of GC tittles, it hink i have around 11 or so.

I hardly bought any Xbox titles, around 10 over the 5 years.

I have 15 or so 360 titles,

I have one Wii title (if yo u count wii sport :D)

Well when i can find a Wii i' ll be buying 8 [i think] games, so the poor tie ratio is likely to have something to do with causal and non-gamers just not buying software in the same kind of quantities that traditional gamers do - something i' ve been saying for a year...

At least NPD figures don' t include Wii Sports. That' d be a joke.

What titles will you get nitro?

Super Paper Mario
Super Mario Galaxy
Resident Evil: The Umbrella Chronicles
Metroid Prime 3
Resident Evil 4 Wii Edition (i have the Gamecube version already)
Twilight princess (i have the Gamecube version already)
Wario Ware: Smooth Moves

But at the moment everywhere is out of stock (read: Nintendo are constraining supply in order to build hype again) and even when stock comes in you can only buy bundles with games like SSX, Raving Rabids and Red Steel - so it could be a while yet.

Nothing surprising there. It would just be interesting to see how the accessoire attach rates look, too. Has the kinda steep price for Wiimote + Nunchuck stopped Wii owners from buying additional controllers?

http://games.kikizo.com/news/200710/126.asp

It mentions the attachment rate for Wii being around three per console in Japan, five in Europe and over six games in the USA.

It kind of confirms what Japanese developers have been saying for a while : that gamers there are more casual in general compared to the other markets.

Well at least I did my part to drive up the ps3 software sales. So far I have 15 ps3 games, quite a few not worth owning, mostly bought because I was bored, but whatever.

Even with the elite I bought in august, I' m up to 10 xbox games.

I definitely see software attach ratio' s going up during the holiday season. Sure a lot of people will be buying new consoles and thus having smaller libraries, but with CoD4, Assasins Creed, Mass Effect, Ratchet and Clank, Uncharted, UT3(maybe, but doubtful) etc coming out, I can' t see it not going up significantly.

I can' t say the same for the Wii though. As it only has one title coming out that is worth buying. Sure Zach and Wiki got good reviews, but not everyone loves adventure titles, especially ones that look like a Fisher Price playset.

These Attach rates only prove that the Wii attracts so many non-gamers if anything. I don' t think Nintendo ever expected these fiqures to be high at the start, These 40% of the Wii' s owner base are hardly gonna be keeping up with the latest titles, like the other 60% Hardcore Wii owners (like myself).

It' s all kinda of Irrelevant with a console like the Wii that is trying to break a new audience and not much to do with the quality of Wii software (VX ). Most Hardcore Wii owners I know, either in person or on forums, own at least 6 games, I own 8 and want another 7.

Currently playing:
Korg DS 10 (ds) /  Metal Slug 7 (ds)
Rhythm Heaven (ds) /  Fire Emblem (ds)
Super Stardust HD (psn) /  Virtua Fighter 5 (360)
FSX (P

Nice percentage, still pulling numbers out of your ass I see.

Anyway, Nintendos attach rate is irrelevant, they actually make money on the console, whereas MS and Sony loose money.

I dont want to celebrate, I want to sell you hate.

Anyway, Nintendos attach rate is irrelevant, they actually make money on the console, whereas MS and Sony loose money.

We aren' t talking about the money. We are talking about attach rates, which mean a lot to developers. Nobody wants to make a game for a console that doesn' t sell software as well as another. It' s like deciding where to open a car dealership. Are you going to go to a city where the average home owns 1 car, or the city where the average home owns 2 or 3. It' s a simple decision.

Oh, and thanks for pointing out the fact that Nintendo makes money off their consoles and the other two don' t. Captain obvious 4tw!!!!

I expected as much. Simply a lack of quality games is the reason, as everyone here realises. the 360 has loads of them. The PS3 has quite a few. The Wii doesn' t have very many. But there is no doubt these figures can be interpreted negatively by 3rd parties (In terms of Nintendos ratio). The Problem is Wiisports is still such a system seller that (IMO) it will be difficult for software sales to catch up to hardware sales to improve the ratio (in the forseeable future). That and the trickle of quality titles to the Wii and its no wonder it has the lowest attach rate. Nintendo need to address this problem quickly, because if sales of Wii begin to decline significantly, its low attach rate will become a sever liability.

The Kikizo article I linked to a few posts ago tells something else though. From that one the Wii attachment rate isn' t bad at all in Europe and the US. But as usual, different numbers from different sources :P

Dagashi, youre just bitter that you paid $500 for a movie player

Dagashi, in a pissy mood 4tw

I dont want to celebrate, I want to sell you hate.

Nice percentage, still pulling numbers out of your ass I see.

Anyway, Nintendos attach rate is irrelevant, they actually make money on the console, whereas MS and Sony loose money.

That' s why they don' t give a shit about third party support. They make money on the hardware and even more from their own games.

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it seems obvious why developers were wary about investing in the wii, attach rate is much lower and with most of the attachment going to 1st party software anyway there has to be a lot of wiis out there to have any chance of gaining the same income on their efforts even if development costs are lower.

Most Hardcore Wii owners I know, either in person or on forums, own at least 6 games, I own 8 and want another 7.

Wow i would feel like i wasted my money if i bought that many Wii titles, since they are mostly worthtless.

For a long time RE4 was the best bet, but i shouold get that game for free since i already fucking bought it.

ORIGINAL: ys

The Kikizo article I linked to a few posts ago tells something else though. From that one the Wii attachment rate isn' t bad at all in Europe and the US. But as usual, different numbers from different sources :P

The US tie ratio figures we' re discussing have come straight from NPD which translates to software sold at retail but doesn' t include internet or Walmart sales.

There' s a huge difference when looking at the article and the numbers mentioned here. Going from around three games per Wii to six in the Kikizo article.

Worldwide it said that 65 million games have been sold for 13 million consoles which would be 5 games per console. I can' t believe that internet sales and Walmart would make such a difference for only the Wii then. I wonder what the original source is for the Kikizo article when it comes to these numbers.

I do know some Wii owners that have plenty of games though. But this doesn' t mean much I think since they are people who have played games for a long time and more regularly. I wouldn' t know how many of those " new gamers" buy in general :P

Someone also mentioned that it doesn' t matter much for Nintendo since they make money anyway. This got me thinking about an article where I read that they make around $74 dollars profit per console sold. That' s a lot!

It doesn' t matter how often they play the games. What matters is how many they buy.

"This is sad. There's no other word for it. The person who invents a way to punch someone in the face over the Internet will make millions from the demand generated by people like this." Youtube comments

Ehm, I know. I didn' t say otherwise either. All I' m saying is that there as usual are conflicting numbers when it comes to stuff like this. And that the Wii owners I know might be different than the majority of Wii woners. Since they play more, they are generally more interested in gaming as a whole and buy more. Possibly in contrast to a lot of those new people I meant.