Report: Sony facing massive PS3 losses

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http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601109&sid=aTVZj2sgVtvk&refer=home

Some intersting points

The net loss at Tokyo-based Sony may have widened to 75.8 billion yen ($630 million) in the fiscal fourth quarter ended March 31, from 66.5 billion yen a year earlier, according to the median estimate of 11 analysts surveyed by Bloomberg. Sales probably rose 9.5 percent to 2.02 trillion yen, the survey showed.

PlayStation 3 is being outsold by Wii by about two to one, causing Sony' s game division, its second-largest by revenue, to post a fourth-quarter loss of 121 billion yen (US$1 billion) and a record 245 billion yen deficit for the fiscal year, according to five of the 11 analysts. The loss may exceed profits from electronics such as Bravia televisions, and the movie unit, whose ``Spider-Man 3' ' generated record box-office sales when it opened this month.

Sony sold 501,000 PlayStation 3 consoles in the U.S. from January to March, compared with Wii sales of 1.03 million, according to market researcher NPD Group Inc., based in Port Washington, New York. Microsoft sold 721,000 Xbox 360 players.

The hype and sales of wii will probably go down very fast once people realise there isn' ät much games out for it,and they see the great power of next-gen on ps3/360 and those prices for those consoles go down.

Even if you break 2 legs from a crab it still runs!
What you gotta do is find its weak spot and do massive damage at it.

The hype and sales of wii will probably go down very fast once people realise there isn' ät much games out for it,and they see the great power of next-gen on ps3/360 and those prices for those consoles go down.

Lol, If anything Quez, Wii sales will go up much higher once they are freely available..

Your thinking that everyone who buys a Wii are Hardcore gamers... WRONG.. Ever heard of the term: ' Non-gamers?' This is more or less a new market Nintendo created / catered. Nintendo / Wii has yet to reach the potential tens of millions of ' Non gamers' .

**Watch this space**

Wii music, Wii fitness, a New project by the makers of Nintendogs..

The Wii sales will rocket into oblivion. (and that is just a few of a big handful of ' Non gamer' projects we have yet to hear about)

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Quez where is your evidence that better graphics/power = better market share?

Last time i checked the ps1, ps2 & DS were all convincing market leaders and neither were the most powerful platform.

The only way the Wii will fail is poor thirdparty support, but from the looks of things this won' t be happening, and in any case the Wii continues to sell despite its lack of quality software.

The Wii makes money from the start, so it is in a better position to drop prices. Apparently the 360 will become profitable in 2008, and the ps3 who knows when that will be profitable. I feel that microsoft will only drop the 360' s price as a knee jerk reaction to any ps3 price drop.

I am with Quez the wii is cool but that’s just it cool. The wii will fall to 3rd place sooner or later. To me I think it’s a fad kind of like pokemon but it does appeal to the non gamers.

The hype and sales lol it’s not that people are buying them like crazy they are I will agree to that. But wii will lose badly just watch. But I would love to have a 360 over a wii. But hey that’s me and that’s what I think.

Actually, Virtua is right.

I think the Wii will be in 2nd or 3rd when it comes to software sales, but for console sales it has a great chance at 1or2.

I recently started working at WalMart(I know, stone me later. Its a partime job, only one other than fastfood around) and a 42 year old woman came through my line with a Wii. I attempted some friendly conversation by saying " this just made some kid' s day" . Her response? " My kid is in college, this just made my day. They look so darn cute I had to get one." I was thinking this may just be a crazy one time thing, that all the supposed " impulse buys" people said the Wii got were a joke.... until about a week ago, when not 1, but 2 people came through with Wii' s. 1, another woman early to mid 40' s, the other a man who looked to be in his 30' s.

This type of model would not work for MS/Sony as they loose money on consoles and need software sales, but for Nintendo, who actually makes money on the console, this could be a great business model, even if people arent buying much software.

I dont want to celebrate, I want to sell you hate.

Mikayd2: You wish the Wii will do badly. You dam well how much it will sky rocket.

I hate Pokemen with a passion but to call it a ' Fad' obviously you havent a clue.. That same Fad just had it' s lastest installment on DS last month and has sold well over a million already.

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Actually, i vastly underscored that:

the Pokémon franchise, Diamond and Pearl, have reached the " Million Sales" mark just 5 days after their release in North America.

hehe..

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Mikayd2: You wish the Wii will do badly. You dam well how much it will sky rocket.

To me its an fad it will die soon that thing cant compete with the mega consoles for ever. Thats just what I think. Wii I wish I had one lol but a brotha cant find one.

I thought initially that the Wii would just be a one year passing fad, but it does seem that it has managed to penetrate beyond the usual gaming market. It will inevitably head the top selling console list (of this gen anyway, nothing will ever catch PS2 sales).

Sony we does appear to be in deep brown stuff at the moment. They have failed to carry over PS2 owners into their new machine. Lack of headline titles and cost seem to be the main thing. They will have to decide getting towards Xmas this year whether to stick with the price and accept that Wii and 360 will outsell them, or try a price slash to generate sales but obviously hitting their pocket even more. Someone is going to have to make a giant call that could affect all of us in terms of this generation of consoles, and ultimately the next, as profits here will drive the development of the next one.

Ain' t it just cute how Sony/Microsoft have become scared of the little " last-gen" Wii. I remember Microsoft calling it a nice new way to play videogames at first. Now that Nintendo is catching up they do nothing else but say how " underpowered" and stupid it is to play with.


I doubt Sony will be able to drop the price that fast.

Wasn' t the money they were losing on the console already at 200 or 250€ a unit. Dropping the price all sounds good but I doubt even Sony can drop the price by 100€. In Europe that would still be at 550€ and that' s still a lot of money.

So if you look at it they would get a minimal sales boost but increasing their own loss per unit considerably.

I doubt a significant price drop will be seen this year.

As for Nintendo and the Wii...well they' ve been earning money with it since the start. Third party developers are all realizing their mistake and quickly start making something for the Wii. Sure we' re getting a lot of crappy ps2 ports for now but hey can' t blame them for wanting to make a profit out of the succes that is the Wii. They didn' t expect the Wii to do so well and now they all want to make something for it. That alone is already a good indication of things to come.

As for the Wii sales going down anytime soon. I don' t think so.

Look at it this way. PS3 even with a price drop will still be to expensive for the majority of people. A price that I aswel ain' t willing to pay to play some games. Home isn' t interesting at all and as for graphics...Well I don' t give a sh*t about HD and how many polygons something has. I want good gameplay. For great online you have the 360. For the gameplay you have the Wii. Although they tried a quick rip off with their sixaxis. Casual gamers or non gamers don' t care about graphics. A great example is my brother. He was over for the weekend saw me play Sonic and the secret rings and said it looked really beautiful. He even wanted to play it himself. Also got him hooked on Wii sports right away and normally he never plays games. Showed him some 360 screens from gears of war and PS3 genji stuff and he said he didn' t really see any difference.

Then we have the Wii which is affordable, appeals to hardcore gamers (when the decent third party and first party titles hit the Wii. Looking forward to NiGHTS, No more Heroes and Disaster: day of crisis and Project H.A.M.M.E.R and Prime) casual gamers and perviously non-gamers. And new ways of gameplay that will really get good once developers get the hang of it.
Nintendo is already making profit meaning they can drop the price whenever they please to boost the sales again.

Wii isn' t going down anytime soon as much as some people want it to. Seems Sony and Microsoft fanboys feel very threatened by the " stupidweaknotubermediacenter" platform that is the Wii.

Well that' s how I view things.


Oooh and about the PS2 being the winner of last gen. In pure sales there' s no arguing about that. But as in how much profit that was made the gamecube owned the xbox and ps2. It' s business so in the end who wins?? The one who made the most profit ofcourse.

Nintendo seems to have a nack for making their consoles profitable from the start and that without any good third party support look at the Cube. The Wii is going to get that support. So really everyone saying the Wii is going to disappear without putting up a fight might just as well go live in a fantasy world created by Microsoft and Sony about how much their system owns the Wii.

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It doesn' t matter how many Wii' s are sold, it' s still an inferior console compared to 360 or PS3.

That all depends on what you are searching for in your gaming system.

360 has best online

Wii has best gameplay and old titles being released on the console.

PS3 has nothing in my eyes besides a huge picetag.

True in pure power the Wii falls short. But you could say aswell that the 360 and ps3 fall well short on part of pushing the gaming market to new unexplored roads and gameplay.

Everyone can buy what they like and I' m sure they' ll have fun with it but I won' t buy a PS3 for things like Motorstorm. Played it and found it to be...well nothing special at all. It looked great but that' s all. Resistance fall of man has small maps and for one like me who likes to be a sniper it' s just to rediculous that I can' t even go and lie down. And to be a real sniper the maps are just way to small. The only title that I like that' s for PS3 is MGS4 but I ain' t paying a huge amount of money for just one game.

The 360 is more interesting than the ps3 in my eyes because we might get Shenmue3 on it. If that happens I' ll buy a 360 Shenmue 3 and Virtua Fighter 5.

Each console has it' s own good points 360 for online, PS3 for it' s graphics and Wii for it' s gameplay. There' s no reason to keep fighting about who' s better than who when everybody has his own taste and different things they are looking for in a console.

Discussions such as Console X is superior to console Y because of this and that are just plain boring and serve no point at all since some will agree and others will disagree.

Meh now I' m starting to sound like a boring old man.

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Wii has best gameplay and old titles being released on the console.

All three consoles have backwards compatibility. I would argue that the Wii does not have the best gameplay either. How can it have better gameplay when it has no games? Hence the reason I say it' s inferior. Wii has almost nothing going for it over the other two. Just a few exlusives and a lower price. The wiimote is meaningless, online on Wii is shit, the quality of the games (technical merit) is 5 years behind the 360/PS3. Wii is a rip off even at it' s price. If my gaming computer was five years old I' d throw it in the trash. Wii' s popularity is a testiment to how little people care about what they buy. I don' t see how some people can tollerate that with consoles when the competition is of vastly better quality along with more/better games.

Demonoroth Very True..



I must add, people going mad about Nintendo' s Lack of 1st Party Support. If you really look into why theres very little by nintendo as yet, you' ll see a very good reason:

3rd Party Support

Namco: " Being a 3rd party Supporter on a Nintendo Platform the Biggest competitor you have, is Nintendo"

On previous Nintendo systems, 3rd Parties Never stood a chance..
Why?

..Nintendo would frequently release their games and no one would give a shit about the 3rd Party stuff and leave it on the shelf.. 3rd Parties would be giving Nintendo the V-sign saying ' What the hell do you expect us to do!?' ..

Nitntendo' s clocked on to this and are now spreading their games out over longer periods. T

his has worked well so far, Not only have 3rd Parties made a good profit (they used mostly PS2 / PSP ports to test the water) but more Devs / Publishers are being attracted and now we are seeing ' 1st Team' 3rd Party games on the horizon IE Namco, Temco, EA, SEGA, Ubisoft.

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Now that Nintendo is catching up they do nothing else but say how " underpowered" and stupid it is to play with.

Not to defend MS or anything, but it could also be the fact that Nintendo shot down the idea of Wii60 after Peter Moore said that for the price of a ps3 you could get a 360 and a wii, then Nintendo responded by saying they' d rather people buy just a wii and get extra stuff with it. That certainly couldnt have made things good between Nintendo and MS

All three consoles have backwards compatibility. I would argue that the Wii does not have the best gameplay either. How can it have better gameplay when it has no games? Hence the reason I say it' s inferior. Wii has almost nothing going for it over the other two. Just a few exlusives and a lower price. The wiimote is meaningless, online on Wii is shit, the quality of the games (technical merit) is 5 years behind the 360/PS3. Wii is a rip off even at it' s price. If my gaming computer was five years old I' d throw it in the trash. Wii' s popularity is a testiment to how little people care about what they buy. I don' t see how some people can tollerate that with consoles when the competition is of vastly better quality along with more/better games.

Wii' s popularity is a testiment to how little people care about what they buy.

..But just wanted to have another go of that fun Bowling game they was good at, at their son' s house last weekend

Go Nintendo!

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..But just wanted to have another go of that fun Bowling game they was good at, at their son' s house last weekend

Go Nintendo!

I find Wii sports boring even when I' m drinking, or smoking Canadian weed. Enough said.

The lak of good games for the Wii is where it might fail. Im considering getting one, but for what reason? Mario Galaxy? I have Zelda for GCN, so no reason to get that. im not much for party games, i dislike Metroid though the new one having fps controls might be worth considering.

All the 3rd party options seems to be sloppy ports of the PS2 counterparts with new controls that hardly seem to work well.

Where are the epic titles for the Wii? like Mass Effect, Gears of War, Final Fantasy. you cant create epic settings on the Wii, because it will ultimately be compared to prettier games like on the 360 or PS3.

The wii will work best with games like Super Paper Mario where the graphics are a bit mroe abstract.

In any case ill get it to play Mario Kart and the paper mario series which is great. But graphics consoles will always pull me in more because they can create something that the Wii cannot!

I think the Wii is going to keep selling pretty steadily, simply because it' s reaching a demographic that doesn' t care about deeply immersive games. For that matter, the people buying it don' t care as much about buying a couple of new games every month, either.

I think what more hardcore gamers really have to be concerned about, though, is the fact that there' s going to come a time when these deeply immersive, hardcore kinds of games are no longer going to be affordable to make. They are requiring bigger and bigger development teams, and steadily increasing development time. At some point the cost of development relative to the risk of actually turning a profit is going to be the real limit of how epic and advanced in graphics, physics and AI can get. Think about how much more conservative and wary the industry has become, preferring to churn out sequels to taking risks on new IPs. Although my hat' s off to the developers who have gambled on new IPs and won in this new generation of consoles, the big publishers like EA and Activision' s modus operandi is almost all sequels and licenses all the time.

August - Madden NFL
September - Halo 3
October - Grand Theft Auto IV

The Wii' s gonna keep selling. Since when has the mass market cared if the games they' re playing are good or not? If they can' t beat a level, it' s because it' s hard, not because there' s poor map design or crappy hit-detection.

With that said, sony is going to pull itself out of the hole in the next 12-16 months, ala PS2. These exact discussions went on five years ago with the PS2. It' s too expensive! There' s another console with better graphics! There' s not enough games! Why would we want DVDs?!



Think about it.

ORIGINAL: Eddie_the_Hated



With that said, sony is going to pull itself out of the hole in the next 12-16 months, ala PS2.

I' m guessing your being sarcastic?

its funny how a thread on ps3 turned into a Wii bashing excercise started by a 360 fanboy (started the bashing).[:' (

ORIGINAL: Agent Ghost
Hence the reason I say it' s(the Wii) inferior.

Hmm lets see, ps1 & ps2 and DS are considered inferior to their rivals and look what happened. Having the inferior console has never been an impediment to establishing Market Share, and whether you wish to admit it or not THAT IS THE MOST IMPORTANT FACTOR OF A CONSOLE. You always make it sound like Nintendo could never have made a powerful console, but they could have. Except as trends have pointed out power has never equaled market share. I look at it as a good business decision.

Wii has almost nothing going for it over the other two.

Yes it does, price and the fact that it offers something unique - The Wiimote. The Wiimote allowed the Wii to appeal to more then the hardcore crowd, and as the ps1 & ps2 have shown the ' winner' of the console war is determined by the casual gamer not the hardcore.

Just a few exlusives and a lower price.

yep just a few exclusives and its outselling all next gen consoles WW. Even 360s nor ps3s large library of exclusives have made a dent on the Wiis sales. Funny that isn' t it. Imagine when the real Wii games hit.

The wiimote is meaningless,

you keep telling yourself that if you wish, in the meantime its responsible for the Wiis unprecedented success. Or haven' t you noticed?

online on Wii is shit,

That will change shortly, but currently the Wiis online is not up to scratch

the quality of the games (technical merit) is 5 years behind the 360/PS3.

Well the games on Wii sell regardless. Is technical merit the most important factor when selling a game? No it isn' t. Maybe to you and others here but no the the majority of gamers targeted by the Wii. Sure the graphics are nothing to brag about, primarily because the majority of games are still ps2 ports, but looking at current sales trends its lack of power has done nothing to slow sales of the Wii, and as you know in the console market install base is EVERYTHING.

Wii is a rip off even at it' s price.

Thanks for your opinion, being a 360 fan and all.

Wii' s popularity is a testiment to how little people care about what they buy.

get over it. There are many things in this world that seem unfair but thats life. You can' t force something that the market doesn' t want. If HD isn' t currently what the market wants then thats what the market wants. Theres no point in complaining about it. Nintendo took a gamble and it paid off.

I don' t see how some people can tollerate that with consoles when the competition is of vastly better quality along with more/better games.

If that were the case people should all go to PC gaming because it has (technically) better games?

ORIGINAL: Agent Ghost

Wii has best gameplay and old titles being released on the console.

All three consoles have backwards compatibility. I would argue that the Wii does not have the best gameplay either. How can it have better gameplay when it has no games? Hence the reason I say it' s inferior. Wii has almost nothing going for it over the other two. Just a few exlusives and a lower price. The wiimote is meaningless, online on Wii is shit, the quality of the games (technical merit) is 5 years behind the 360/PS3. Wii is a rip off even at it' s price. If my gaming computer was five years old I' d throw it in the trash. Wii' s popularity is a testiment to how little people care about what they buy. I don' t see how some people can tollerate that with consoles when the competition is of vastly better quality along with more/better games.

I' d have to disagree with you, my friend. The Wii is fun, bottom line. I had a blast with the game " Trauma Center" and my friend Todd and I played the HELL out of " Excite Truck" . Also Wii Sports and Wii Play are awesome to play with people who don' t normally play video games! I' ve had four girls (one of which HATES video games) and several guys from work over, and they all had a BLAST! Oh yeah, Paper Mario OWNS!

Bottom line; in my circle of friends, we all have the Wii60 combo. I don' t even know anybody who has a PS3! I' ve been thinkin' about getting one just so we can all try it out! Oh, and for some Blu-ray movie lovin' !

the Wii60 combo

Fuck people who subscribe to being such closeminded gamers, fuck people who use the term, and fuck anyone who can' t see the individual merit in each of the 3 consoles.

ORIGINAL: Dagashi

*** people who subscribe to being such closeminded gamers, *** people who use the term, and *** anyone who can' t see the individual merit in each of the 3 consoles.

Are you saying I' m a close-minded gamer? Because I said Wii60? I don' t get it?
The PS3 has 2 interesting looking games (though poorly reviewed) and costs $600!! Where' s the merit in THAT!

My friends think I' m crazy because I even MENTIONED buying one of those things! The only reason I might is because I' ve made about $5000 spendable cash over the last month, and I wouldn' t really miss the $600. Now that they' ve fixed up their video codec issues for their Blu-ray movies, it' s at least a good movie machine, and has some titles I' m interested in. As a game machine, it' s STILL garbage!

I' d have to disagree with you, my friend. The Wii is fun, bottom line. I had a blast with the game " Trauma Center" and my friend Todd and I played the HELL out of " Excite Truck" . Also Wii Sports and Wii Play are awesome to play with people who don' t normally play video games! I' ve had four girls (one of which HATES video games) and several guys from work over, and they all had a BLAST! Oh yeah, Paper Mario OWNS!

Bottom line; in my circle of friends, we all have the Wii60 combo. I don' t even know anybody who has a PS3! I' ve been thinkin' about getting one just so we can all try it out! Oh, and for some Blu-ray movie lovin' !

I never said the Wii isn' t fun, I intend on buying one when SSB:B is out. I just can' t see how anyone can be having more fun with it over a 360 especially with the anemic library Wii has at this time. It seems impossible, granted the Wii does have that unique controller so it has something that we never seen before but it' s still just a controller. Eventually I' ll own all three consoles but if I could only pick one Wii would be a distant third.

With that said, sony is going to pull itself out of the hole in the next 12-16 months, ala PS2. These exact discussions went on five years ago with the PS2.

I' m beginning to feel not so sure about this scenario. For one thing, I think that even with a somewhat slow start, the PS2 came out of the gate with more force than the PS3 has. I think this upcoming holiday season is going to either make or break the PS3 for good, and I' m beginning to wonder if we' re going to see it go the way of the 3DO... a machine with a few interesting games that can' t build up the market share to make developers feel confident about it.

Another possible scenario is that we' re seeing the console market fragmenting in an unprecedented way, with radically different sales figures for each console in Japan, North America and Europe. Now that would be a headache for developers and publishers to navigate.

As a game machine, it' s STILL garbage!

So the Wii is better how exactly?

I hate comparing systems, but if you are going to say the ps3 is crap, and the wii is great, then I pretty much have to.

Any 3rd party game that is available for the ps3 and the Wii, is better on the ps3(so far, and in the foreseeable future).

Excite Truck for Wii. Motorstorm for PS3. I think its clear which is better.

CoD3 for wii, or CoD3 for ps3. Heck, the wii CoD doesn' t even have online, the best part of the game.

Resistance blows away any FPS the Wii has.

If you don' t have a higher end PC, then ps3 has Oblivion, which ratings wise, is comparable to Zelda.

On ps3 for fighting games you get Tekken 5 DR, and Virtua Fighter 5. The wii............Street Fighter 2, a game I have in my closet with my SNES. Add the fact that the ps3 and 360 are getting a Street Fighter 2 Turbo game with new artwork in 1080p for the basically same price as Virtual Console later this year.......

Then you have all the sports games that the ps3 and 360 have, which are easily better than any on the Wii.

So, the ps3 has as many great games(at least) as the Wii, and more good games from 3rd party devs. So, how can it suck, yet the Wii is great?

Are you saying I' m a close-minded gamer? Because I said Wii60?

In my experience, anyone who says that, is close minded and naive.

The PS3 has 2 interesting looking games (though poorly reviewed)

What games would those be?

" Hmm lets see, ps1 & ps2 and DS are considered inferior to their rivals and look what happened."

Terrak you' re killing me. The PS1,PS2 and DS were all not one generation behind tech wise. These consoles were all within the same ballpart as their direct competition. I don' t think you realise just how weak the Wii is compared to the other two. Wii is actually much closer to an Xbox than a 360. Infact an Xbox even has technical advantages over Wii. Such as support for programmable shaders.

Comparing PS1->N64 or PS2->Xbox/GC is not the same as Wii->PS3/360.

A more accurate analogy would be comparing an overclocked N64->Xbox/PS2. That is what the Wii looks like when compared to the 360 and PS3 technically. Wii literally has the same GPU and almost the same CPU that GC had, they' re just overclocked with a bit more ram thrown in. I' ve said this many times but Wii only has 88mb of total RAM, on top of that it' s also extremely slow ram. Even though the CPU and GPU in Wii are both very weak, they' re still going to be starved for memory bandwidth/space.

I can' t stress how cheap I feel Nintendo has been with all of this, esspecially the RAM. I would consider the bare minimum to be 256mb not 88mb. In the year 2007 the specs for Wii are completely unacceptable. On top of everything else the memory configuration in Wii is almost criminal.

I' m not kidding when I say that 2-3 years from now we' ll have Cellphones with more proccessing power than a Wii. Cellphones will have better graphics than a Wii in three years.

So the Wii is better how exactly?

I think he is comparing the console exclusives, which neither console really has.

In my experience, anyone who says that, is close minded and naive.

Just because they prefer 360 and wii doesnt mean they' re close minded at all. It just means thats their favorite 2 systems, it doesnt mean they dont like the ps3. You do have to look at it like this. PS3 isnt getting a whole lot of exclusives for a while, where as the 360 has a few already and getting around 10ish this year and the wii is getting a few exclusives this year as well.

Alright then children, back on topic if you please.

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ORIGINAL: Eddie_the_Hated



With that said, sony is going to pull itself out of the hole in the next 12-16 months, ala PS2.

I' m guessing your being sarcastic?

Nope. PS2 blew for almost a year & a half until they got a couple amazing games. PS2 sold marvelously at launch, with shortages raising demand. PS2' s pricepoint was also uber-high for the times as well if you remember.

They' ve got a plethora of great exclusives hitting this year and next (check the Sony Games Day thread for examples) and there' s no reason that with a price-drop and exclusives that it won' t sell wonderfully.

ORIGINAL: Agent Ghost

Terrak you' re killing me. The PS1,PS2 and DS were all not one generation behind tech wise. These consoles were all within the same ballpart as their direct competition. I don' t think you realise just how weak the Wii is compared to the other two. Wii is actually much closer to an Xbox than a 360. Infact an Xbox even has technical advantages over Wii. Such as support for programmable shaders.

Comparing PS1->N64 or PS2->Xbox/GC is not the same as Wii->PS3/360.

A more accurate analogy would be comparing an overclocked N64->Xbox/PS2. That is what the Wii looks like when compared to the 360 and PS3 technically. Wii literally has the same GPU and almost the same CPU that GC had, they' re just overclocked with a bit more ram thrown in. I' ve said this many times but Wii only has 88mb of total RAM, on top of that it' s also extremely slow ram. Even though the CPU and GPU in Wii are both very weak, they' re still going to be starved for memory bandwidth/space.

I can' t stress how cheap I feel Nintendo has been with all of this, esspecially the RAM. I would consider the bare minimum to be 256mb not 88mb. In the year 2007 the specs for Wii are completely unacceptable. On top of everything else the memory configuration in Wii is almost criminal.

I' m not kidding when I say that 2-3 years from now we' ll have Cellphones with more proccessing power than a Wii. Cellphones will have better graphics than a Wii in three years.

Aha!! So very true there Agent, so very true. The descrepency between the Wii and the 360/ps3 is much larger then the ps2 & the GC/xbox!! Took you long enough to bring this point out.

You should have realised that you are not the target market for the Wii. The 360 and ps3 more then adequately cater for that market (hardcore). So why would you want Nintendo to make a console that targets a market that is already well covered?

Try to put things in perspective. Besides like my post highlights the graphics on Wii has done little to slow it down -

http://forums.kikizo.com/tm.asp?m=103072&p=1&tmode=1&smode=1

And the ps2s continued success over the 360 & ps3 (not combined) shows that the consumer just ain' t ready for HD yet, and the fact that a visually inferior console can still hold there own against visually superior consoles. 6 + years old and still can outsell all HD capable consoles. I can' t see that changing for while yet. The ps2 has some legs on it. The Wii has the potential to emulate the ps2 success. It has already shown casual/non gamer appeal. Is affordable and in a stylish package and has simple and easy to play games thanks to the Wiimote interface. All it needs now is some compelling software (AAA exclusives) and its gonna really take off.

If the ps2s price point was ' uber high'

how would you describe ps3 price point, being double ps2 ' uber high' price?

the situation is alot different now. The ps3 has 2 strong competitors (instead of one weak competitor in Sega Dreamcast) and is one of the last to launch. It has no territory it can call its own (not Japan, the US or Europe) and no indications of this changing anytime soon. I seriously don' t think the ps2 senario can be applied to the ps3. But stranger things have happened, a significant price drop and some AAA exclusives might shift the balance, but from the looks of things i wouldn' t hold my breathe.

So why would you want Nintendo to make a console that targets a market that is already well covered?

Maybe so people that arent 5 and under or 50 and above can enjoy nintendo consoles as well?

PS3 isnt getting a whole lot of exclusives for a while, where as the 360 has a few already and getting around 10ish this year and the wii is getting a few exclusives this year as well.

That whole sentence doesn' t make sense. You first say the ps3 won' t have more exclusive for a while, but then talk about what the 360 and Wii will have in the rest of the year.

If we are going by the year, the ps3 gets - Lair, Heavenly Sword, LittleBigPlanet!, Warhawk, MGS(possibly), Ratchet and Clank: Future Tools, Ninja Gaiden Sigma(I know its somewhat of a rehash, but its the best one out there) some others I can' t think of, as well as Home.

The 360 also has more exclusives, but for me, it has about the same amount as the ps3 that I look forward to. Mass Effect, Forza 2, Bioshock(if I don' t upgrade my PC first) etc.

Then we have the Wii which has a couple Nintendo games I look forward to.

Add in the fact that the 360 and the ps3 will have HL2 Orange Box, Assasins Creed, Capcom titles, The Darkness, Tom Clancy games, GTA4, etc.

When the ps3 and the 360 have more great exclusives than the wii, along with way more great third party titles coming, there is no way any real gamer can tell me the Wii has more to offer, especially considering it has no online multiplayer.

Dagashi, I' m not saying the Wii is great. What I' m saying is that the combination of me owning a 360 and a Wii makes the PS3 inconsequential. Hell, if I had to forgo all other systems this gen and JUST have a Wii, I' d kill myself!

Basically the 360 has all the games I like and the ones that aren' t exclusives are just as good, if not better, than the same games on the other two systems. The Wii is an interesting diversion, every now and again, and I' ve had a lot of fun playing it with friends. Only exclusive games could compel me to buy a PS3, and the only ones that I would buy right now are Resistance: Fall of Man and Motorstorm.

That being said, the PS3 does have some interesting games on the horizon, but I don' t shell out $600+ for potential.

Also, if I owned a PS3 and a Wii, I' d have to call it a Pii. That' s SO not cool!

Terrak you make it sound like the 360 is absurdly priced, 360 is not much more expensive than a Wii. It' s not just the console, with accessories and games, Wii can still cost a person a fair amount of change in the next few years. Eventually I think we' re going to see Wiis stock issue solve itself when we start to see more used Wii' s sitting on the shelves of EBgames.

I love how you twisted things around though, talking about target marketshare. I never said Nintendo made a bad buisness decision, infact I' m positive they will make far more money with Wii than MS and Sony combined with their consoles. I' m someone who is likely to buy all major consoles each generation. So I am in the " target market" and I don' t like what I see with the Wii. Even the people who are in the so called marketshare and buy a Wii are being ripped off. They just don' t know it. People buying a Wii are throwing their money away on a console that was obsolete five years ago. I don' t even think Wii deserves the title of " console" , it' s more like a gaming novelty. Maybe it' s just a knick knack. I was calling it Gimp, but I think Knick Knack is more suitable for Wii.

Do you know what a knick knack is Terrak? It' s just a cheap ornament. A dust collector that people sometimes buy if they' re shopping while high. A kick knack is an impulse buy because it was cheap, it was shelved at eye level and it looked pretty in the store.

Agent we all know you dont support the Wii is Inovation argument, but it is a games console.

Regardless of crippled hardware and gimped controls, it is not to be dismissed.

Change is inevitable. Except from a vending machine.

Viva La Revolution! erm, I mean Viva La Wii!